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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Kaiyang Zhao <kaiyang2@cs.cmu.edu>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/26] mm: reliable huge page allocator
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:11:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230421161156.5jnipnfs4svwwzee@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZD9qATZcdyW/UGgI@casper.infradead.org>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 05:11:45AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 03:12:47PM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > This series proposes to make THP allocations reliable by enforcing
> > pageblock hygiene, and aligning the allocator, reclaim and compaction
> > on the pageblock as the base unit for managing free memory. All orders
> > up to and including the pageblock are made first-class requests that
> > (outside of OOM situations) are expected to succeed without
> > exceptional investment by the allocating thread.
> > 
> > A neutral pageblock type is introduced, MIGRATE_FREE. The first
> > allocation to be placed into such a block claims it exclusively for
> > the allocation's migratetype. Fallbacks from a different type are no
> > longer allowed, and the block is "kept open" for more allocations of
> > the same type to ensure tight grouping. A pageblock becomes neutral
> > again only once all its pages have been freed.
> 
> YES!  This is exactly what I've been thinking is the right solution
> for some time.  Thank you for doing it.
> 

It was considered once upon a time and comes up every so often as variants
of a "sticky" pageblock pageblock bit that prevents mixing. The risks was
ending up in a context where memory within a suitable pageblock cannot
be freed and all of the available MOVABLE pageblocks have at least one
pinned page that cannot migrate from the allocating context. It can also
potentially hit a case where the majority of memory is UNMOVABLE pageblocks,
each of which has a single pagetable page that cannot be freed without an
OOM kill. Variants of issues like this would manifestas an OOM kill with
plenty of memory free bug or excessive CPu usage on reclaim or compaction.

It doesn't kill the idea of the series at all but it puts a lot of emphasis
in splitting the series by low-risk and high-risk. Maybe to the extent where
the absolute protection against mixing can be broken in OOM situations,
kernel command line or sysctl.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-21 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-18 19:12 Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] block: bdev: blockdev page cache is movable Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  4:07   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-21 12:25   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] mm: compaction: avoid GFP_NOFS deadlocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:27   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 14:17     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] mm: make pageblock_order 2M per default Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  0:01   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-19  2:55     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19  3:44       ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19 11:10     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-19 10:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19 11:09     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-21 12:37   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] mm: page_isolation: write proper kerneldoc Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:39   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] mm: page_alloc: per-migratetype pcplist for THPs Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:47   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-28 10:29       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] mm: page_alloc: consolidate free page accounting Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:54   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] mm: page_alloc: move capture_control to the page allocator Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 12:59   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] mm: page_alloc: claim blocks during compaction capturing Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 13:12   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25 14:39     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] mm: page_alloc: move expand() above compaction_capture() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] mm: page_alloc: allow compaction capturing from larger blocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:14   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25 15:40     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-28 10:41       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] mm: page_alloc: introduce MIGRATE_FREE Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:25   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] mm: page_alloc: per-migratetype free counts Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:28   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:35     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 16:03       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 16:32         ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] mm: compaction: remove compaction result helpers Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:32   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] mm: compaction: simplify should_compact_retry() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:36   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-25  2:15     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-25  0:56   ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-25  2:11     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] mm: compaction: simplify free block check in suitable_migration_target() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:39   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] mm: compaction: improve compaction_suitable() accuracy Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] mm: compaction: refactor __compaction_suitable() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] mm: compaction: remove unnecessary is_via_compact_memory() checks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] mm: compaction: drop redundant watermark check in compaction_zonelist_suitable() Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] mm: vmscan: use compaction_suitable() check in kswapd Johannes Weiner
2023-04-25  3:12   ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-25 14:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-26  1:30       ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-26 15:22         ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-27  5:41           ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] mm: compaction: align compaction goals with reclaim goals Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] mm: page_alloc: manage free memory in whole pageblocks Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] mm: page_alloc: kill highatomic Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] mm: page_alloc: kill watermark boosting Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] mm: page_alloc: disallow fallbacks when 2M defrag is enabled Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 14:56   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-21 15:24     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-21 15:55       ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-18 19:13 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] mm: page_alloc: add sanity checks for migratetypes Johannes Weiner
2023-04-18 23:54 ` [RFC PATCH 00/26] mm: reliable huge page allocator Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-19  2:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-04-19 10:56     ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19  4:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-21 16:11   ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2023-04-21 17:14     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-05-02 15:21       ` David Hildenbrand

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