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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: jaewon31.kim@samsung.com
Cc: "jstultz@google.com" <jstultz@google.com>,
	"tjmercier@google.com" <tjmercier@google.com>,
	"sumit.semwal@linaro.org" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	"daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch" <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	"hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"mhocko@kernel.org" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"jaewon31.kim@gmail.com" <jaewon31.kim@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] dma-buf/heaps: system_heap: Avoid DoS by limiting single allocations to half of all memory
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:09:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230405200923.9b0dca2165ef3335a0f6b112@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230406021712epcms1p216f274040d25d18380668ffbfa809c48@epcms1p2>

On Thu, 06 Apr 2023 11:17:12 +0900 Jaewon Kim <jaewon31.kim@samsung.com> wrote:

> >> +       if (len / PAGE_SIZE > totalram_pages())
> >> +               return ERR_PTR(-ENOMEM);
> >
> >We're catering for a buggy caller here, aren't we?  Are such large
> >requests ever reasonable?
> >
> >How about we decide what's the largest reasonable size and do a
> >WARN_ON(larger-than-that), so the buggy caller gets fixed?
> 
> Yes we're considering a buggy caller. I thought even totalram_pages() / 2 in
> the old ion system is also unreasonable. To avoid the /2, I changed it to
> totalram_pages() though.
> 
> Because userspace can request that size repeately, I think WARN_ON() may be
> called to too often, so that it would fill the kernel log buffer.

Oh geeze.  I trust that userspace needs elevated privileges of some form?

If so, then spamming dmesg isn't an issue - root can do much worse than
that.

> Even we think WARN_ON_ONCE rather than WARN_ON, the buggy point is not kernel
> layer. Unlike page fault mechanism, this dma-buf system heap gets the size from 
> userspace, and it is allowing unlimited size. I think we can't fix the buggy
> user space with the kernel warning log. So I think warning is not enough,
> and we need a safeguard in kernel layer.

I really dislike that ram/2 thing - it's so arbitrary, hence is surely
wrong for all cases.  Is there something more thoughtful we can do?

I mean, top priority here is to inform userspace that it's buggy so
that it gets fixed (assuming this requires elevated privileges).  And
userspace which requests (totalram_pages()/2 - 1) bytes is still buggy,
but we did nothing to get the bug fixed.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-06  3:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20230406000841epcas1p3630010a770682be0f1d540a448f3e00e@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2023-04-06  0:08 ` Jaewon Kim
2023-04-06  0:25   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <CGME20230406000841epcas1p3630010a770682be0f1d540a448f3e00e@epcms1p3>
2023-04-06  1:44     ` Jaewon Kim
2023-04-06  1:56       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <CGME20230406000841epcas1p3630010a770682be0f1d540a448f3e00e@epcms1p2>
2023-04-06  2:17         ` Jaewon Kim
2023-04-06  3:09           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2023-04-06  4:24             ` John Stultz
2023-04-06 23:27               ` T.J. Mercier
2023-04-06 23:38                 ` Andrew Morton
2023-04-07  0:00                   ` T.J. Mercier
     [not found]                   ` <CGME20230406000841epcas1p3630010a770682be0f1d540a448f3e00e@epcms1p4>
2023-04-07  2:24                     ` Jaewon Kim
2023-04-07  5:12                       ` T.J. Mercier
2023-04-07 13:03         ` Jaewon Kim
2023-04-06  3:46     ` 김재원

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