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From: Kyungsan Kim <ks0204.kim@samsung.com>
To: dan.j.williams@intel.com
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
	a.manzanares@samsung.com, viacheslav.dubeyko@bytedance.com
Subject: RE: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] SMDK inspired MM changes for CXL
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 13:35:50 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230228043550.88798-1-ks0204.kim@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63fd39406c2dd_276522948@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

Thank you dan for kind reminder of the submission. 
I filled out the form with topic suggestions and required attendees.
Hopefully, we can elaborate the topics with wider opinions revisiting previous kernel designs related.


>Please be sure to log this in the submission spreadsheet as well. From the
>CFP:
>
>---
>
>1) Fill out the following Google form to request attendance and
>suggest any topics
>
>        https://forms.gle/VKVXjWGBHZbnsz226
>
>In previous years we have accidentally missed people's attendance
>requests because they either didn't cc lsf-pc@ or we simply missed them
>in the flurry of emails we get.  Our community is large and our
>volunteers are busy, filling this out will help us make sure we don't
>miss anybody.
>
>
>Kyungsan Kim wrote:
>> CXL is a promising technology that leads to fundamental changes in
>> computing architecture.  To facilitate adoption and widespread of CXL
>> memory, we are developing a memory tiering solution, called
>> SMDK[1][2].  Using SMDK and CXL RAM device, our team has been working
>> with industry and academic partners over last year.  Also, thanks to
>> many researcher's effort, CXL adoption stage is gradually moving
>> forward from basic enablement to real-world composite usecases.  At
>> this moment, based on the researches and experiences gained working on
>> SMDK, we would like to suggest a session at LSF/MM/BFP this year to
>> propose possible Linux MM changes with a brief of SMDK.
>>
>> Adam Manzanares kindly adviced me that it is preferred to discuss
>> implementation details on given problem and consensus at LSF/MM/BFP.
>> Considering the adoption stage of CXL technology, however, let me
>> suggest a design level discussion on the two MM expansions of SMDK
>> this year.  When we have design consensus with participants, we want
>> to continue follow-up discussions with additional implementation
>> details, hopefully.
>>
>> 
>> 1. A new zone, ZONE_EXMEM We added ZONE_EXMEM to manage CXL RAM
>> device(s), separated from ZONE_NORMAL for usual DRAM due to the three
>> reasons below.
>>
>> 1) a CXL RAM has many different characteristics with conventional DRAM
>> because a CXL device inherits and expands PCIe specification.  ex)
>> frequency range, pluggability, link speed/width negotiation,
>> host/device flow control, power throttling, channel-interleaving
>> methodology, error handling, and etc.  It is likely that the primary
>> usecase of CXL RAM would be System RAM.  However, to deal with the
>> hardware differences properly, different MM algorithms are needed
>> accordingly.
>>
>> 2) Historically, zone has been expanded by reflecting the evolution of
>> CPU, IO, and memory devices.  ex) ZONE_DMA(32), ZONE_HIGHMEM,
>> ZONE_DEVICE, and ZONE_MOVABLE.  Each zone applies different MM
>> algorithms such as page reclaim, compaction, migration, and
>> fragmentation.  At first, we tried reuse of existing zones,
>> ZONE_DEVICE and ZONE_MOVABLE, for CXL RAM purpose.  However, the
>> purpose and implementation of the zones are not fit for CXL RAM.
>>
>> 3) Industry is preparing a CXL-capable system that connects dozens of
>> CXL devices in a server system.  When a CXL device becomes a separate
>> node, an administrator/programmer needs to be aware of and manually
>> control all nodes using 3rd party software, such as numactl and
>> libnuma.  ZONE_EXMEM allows the assemble of CXL RAM devices into the
>> single ZONE_EXMEM zone, and provides an abstraction to userspace by
>> seamlessly managing the devices.  Also, the zone is able to interleave
>> assembled devices in a software way to lead to aggregated bandwidth.
>> We would like to suggest if it is co-existable with HW interleaving
>> like SW/HW raid0.  To help understanding, please refer to the node
>> partition part of the picture[3].
>>
>>
>> 2. User/Kernelspace Programmable Interface In terms of a memory
>> tiering solution, it is typical that the solution attempts to locate
>> hot data on near memory, and cold data on far memory as accurately as
>> possible.[4][5][6][7] We noticed that the hot/coldness of data is
>> determined by the memory access pattern of running application and/or
>> kernel context.  Hence, a running context needs a near/far memory
>> identifier to determine near/far memory.  When CXL RAM(s) is
>> manipulated as a NUMA node, a node id can be function as a CXL
>> identifier more or less.  However, the node id has limitation in that
>> it is an ephemeral information that dynamically varies according to
>> online status of CXL topology and system socket.  In this sense, we
>> provides programmable interfaces for userspace and kernelspace context
>> to explicitly (de)allocate memory from DRAM and CXL RAM regardless of
>> a system change.  Specifically, MAP_EXMEM and GFP_EXMEM flags were
>> added to mmap() syscall and kmalloc() siblings, respectively.
>>
>> Thanks to Adam Manzanares for reviewing this CFP thoroughly.
>>
>>
>> [1]SMDK: https://github.com/openMPDK/SMDK
>> [2]SMT: Software-defined Memory Tiering for Heterogeneous Computing systems with CXL Memory Expander, https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10032695
>> [3]SMDK node partition: https://github.com/OpenMPDK/SMDK/wiki/2.-SMDK-Architecture#memory-partition
>> [4]TMO: Transparent Memory Offloading in Datacenters, https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3503222.3507731
>> [5]TPP: Transparent Page Placement for CXL-Enabled Tiered Memory, https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.02878
>> [6]Pond: CXL-Based Memory Pooling Systems for Cloud Platforms, https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3575693.3578835
>> [7]Hierarchical NUMA: https://blog.linuxplumbersconf.org/2017/ocw/system/presentations/4656/original/Hierarchical_NUMA_Design_Plumbers_2017.pdf
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-28  4:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2023-02-21  1:41 ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-02-27 23:14   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230228043551epcas2p3085444899b00b106c2901e1f51814d2c@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-02-28  4:35       ` Kyungsan Kim [this message]
2023-03-03  6:07   ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230322043354epcas2p2227bcad190a470d635b92f92587dc69e@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-22  4:33       ` FW: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-22 22:03         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]           ` <CGME20230323105106epcas2p39ea8de619622376a4698db425c6a6fb3@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-23 10:51             ` RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-23 12:25               ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                 ` <CGME20230324090923epcas2p2710ba4dc8157f9141c03104cf66e9d26@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:09                   ` RE(4): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  9:12                     ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230324092731epcas2p315c348bd76ef9fc84bffdb158e4c1aa4@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:27                         ` RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  9:30                           ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230324095031epcas2p284095ae90b25a47360b5098478dffdaa@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-24  9:50                               ` RE(3): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 13:08                                 ` Jørgen Hansen
2023-03-24 22:33                                   ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                     ` <CGME20230331114220epcas2p2d5734efcbdd8956f861f8e7178cd5288@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:42                                       ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 13:42                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-31 15:56                                           ` Frank van der Linden
2023-04-03  8:34                                             ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                               ` <CGME20230405021655epcas2p2364b1f56dcde629bbd05bc796c2896aa@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:16                                                 ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                                             ` <CGME20230405020631epcas2p1c85058b28a70bbd46d587e78a9c9c7ad@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:06                                               ` Re: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  5:00                                                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                           ` <CGME20230405020121epcas2p2d9d39c151b6c5ab9e568ab9e2ab826ce@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:01                                             ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  3:11                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-03  8:28                                         ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                           ` <CGME20230405020916epcas2p24cf04f5354c12632eba50b64b217e403@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:09                                             ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                                   ` <CGME20230331113147epcas2p12655777fec6839f7070ffcc446e3581b@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:31                                     ` RE: RE(3): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24  0:41               ` RE(2): " Huang, Ying
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2023-03-24  8:48                   ` RE(4): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 13:46                     ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230331113417epcas2p20a886e1712dbdb1f8eec03a2ac0a47e2@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:34                         ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 15:53                           ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230405020257epcas2p11b253f8c97a353890b96e6ae6eb515d3@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:02                               ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-24 14:55               ` RE(2): " Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-24 17:49                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                   ` <CGME20230331113715epcas2p13127b95af4000ec1ed96a2e9d89b7444@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:37                     ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-31 12:54                       ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                         ` <CGME20230405020027epcas2p4682d43446a493385b60c39a1dbbf07d6@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-04-05  2:00                           ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-05  4:48                             ` Dan Williams
2023-04-05 18:12                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-05 19:42                                 ` Dan Williams
2023-04-06 12:27                                   ` David Hildenbrand
     [not found]                                     ` <CGME20230407093007epcas2p32addf5da24110c3e45c90a15dcde0d01@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-04-07  9:30                                       ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                   ` <CGME20230331113845epcas2p313118617918ae2bf634c3c475fc5dbd8@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:38                     ` Re: RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-26  7:21               ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-30 22:03                 ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-03  8:44                   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-04-04  4:27                     ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-04  6:47                       ` Huang, Ying
2023-04-06 22:27                         ` Dragan Stancevic
2023-04-07  0:58                           ` Huang, Ying
     [not found]                             ` <CGME20230407092950epcas2p12bc20c2952a800cf3f4f1d0b695f67e2@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2023-04-07  9:29                               ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-07 14:35                             ` Dragan Stancevic
     [not found]                       ` <CGME20230405101840epcas2p4c92037ceba77dfe963d24791a9058450@epcas2p4.samsung.com>
2023-04-05 10:18                         ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]                 ` <CGME20230331114526epcas2p2b6f1d4c8c1c0b2e3c12a425b6e48c0d8@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:45                   ` RE: RE(2): " Kyungsan Kim
2023-04-04  8:31                     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-04-04 17:58                       ` Adam Manzanares
2023-04-01 10:51                         ` Gregory Price
2023-04-04 18:59                           ` [External] " Viacheslav A.Dubeyko
2023-04-01 11:51                             ` Gregory Price
2023-04-04 21:09                               ` Viacheslav A.Dubeyko
2023-04-04 23:51                               ` Dan Williams
2023-04-05  2:34                                 ` Gregory Price
     [not found]                               ` <CGME20230405101843epcas2p2c819c8d60b2a9a776124c2b4bc25af14@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-04-05 10:18                                 ` Kyungsan Kim
2023-03-30 22:02   ` Dragan Stancevic
     [not found]     ` <CGME20230331114649epcas2p23d52cd1d224085e6192a0aaf22948e3e@epcas2p2.samsung.com>
2023-03-31 11:46       ` Kyungsan Kim
     [not found]   ` <CGME20230414084120epcas2p37f105901350410772a3115a5a490c215@epcas2p3.samsung.com>
2023-04-14  8:41     ` FW: " Kyungsan Kim
2023-05-09 18:45       ` MTK

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