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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] mm: Do not reclaim private data from pinned page
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 14:06:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230214130629.hcnvwpgqzhc3ulgg@quack3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+oI+AYsADUZsB7m@infradead.org>

On Mon 13-02-23 01:55:04, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 12:29:54PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > functionally that would make sense but as I've mentioned in my reply to you
> > [1], the problem here is the performance. I've now dug out the discussion
> > from 2018 where John actually tried to take pinned pages out of the LRU [2]
> > and the result was 20% IOPS degradation on his NVME drive because of the
> > cost of taking the LRU lock. I'm not even speaking how costly that would
> > get on any heavily parallel direct IO workload on some high-iops device...
> 
> I think we need to distinguish between short- and long terms pins.
> For short term pins like direct I/O it doesn't make sense to take them
> off the lru, or to do any other special action.  Writeback will simplify
> have to wait for the short term pin.
> 
> Long-term pins absolutely would make sense to be taken off the LRU list.

Yeah, I agree distinguishing these two would be nice as we could treat them
differently then. The trouble is a bit with always-crowded struct page. But
now it occurred to me that if we are going to take these long-term pinned
pages out from the LRU, we could overload the space for LRU pointers with
the counter (which is what I think John originally did). So yes, possibly
we could track separately long-term and short-term pins. John, what do you
think? Maybe time to revive your patches from 2018 in a bit different form?
;)

								Honza

-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-09 12:31 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Writeback handling of pinned pages Jan Kara
2023-02-09 12:31 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: Do not reclaim private data from pinned page Jan Kara
2023-02-09 16:17   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-10 11:29     ` Jan Kara
2023-02-13  9:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-02-14 13:06         ` Jan Kara [this message]
2023-02-14 21:40           ` John Hubbard
2023-02-16 11:56             ` Jan Kara
2023-02-13  9:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 13:00     ` Jan Kara
2023-02-09 12:31 ` [PATCH 2/5] ext4: Drop workaround for mm reclaiming fs private page data Jan Kara
2023-02-09 12:31 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: Do not try to write pinned folio during memory cleaning writeback Jan Kara
2023-02-10  1:54   ` John Hubbard
2023-02-10  2:10     ` John Hubbard
2023-02-10 10:42       ` Jan Kara
2023-02-10 10:54     ` Jan Kara
2023-02-09 12:31 ` [PATCH 4/5] block: Add support for bouncing pinned pages Jan Kara
2023-02-13  9:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-02-14 13:56     ` Jan Kara
2023-02-15  4:59       ` Dave Chinner
2023-02-15  6:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-02-16 12:33           ` Jan Kara
2023-02-20  6:22             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-02-27 11:39               ` Jan Kara
2023-02-27 13:36                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-02-09 12:31 ` [PATCH 5/5] iomap: Bounce pinned pages during writeback Jan Kara

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