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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	tj@kernel.org, kafai@fb.com, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator.
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:36:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220706183619.3mmtsyi72c6ss5tu@MacBook-Pro-3.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YsXVBnLUiLSFxge4@casper.infradead.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 07:31:34PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 11:26:35AM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 07:21:29PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 11:05:25AM -0700, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2022 at 06:55:36PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > > For example, I assume that a BPF program
> > > > > has a fairly tight limit on how much memory it can cause to be allocated.
> > > > > Right?
> > > > 
> > > > No. It's constrained by memcg limits only. It can allocate gigabytes.
> > > 
> > > I'm confused.  A BPF program is limited to executing 4096 insns and
> > > using a maximum of 512 bytes of stack space, but it can allocate an
> > > unlimited amount of heap?  That seems wrong.
> > 
> > 4k insn limit was lifted years ago.
> 
> You might want to update the documentation.
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/bpf/bpf_design_QA.html
> still says 4096.

No. Please read what you're quoting first.

> > bpf progs are pretty close to be at parity with kernel modules.
> > Except that they are safe, portable, and users have full visibility into them.
> > It's not a blob of bytes unlike .ko.
> 
> It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect them to behave like kernel
> modules, then.  If they want to allocate memory in NMI context, then
> they should get to preallocate it before they go into NMI context.

You're still missing 'any context' part from the previous email.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-06 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220623003230.37497-1-alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
2022-06-27  7:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-06-28  0:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-28  5:01     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-06-28 13:57       ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-28 17:03         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-06-29  2:35           ` Christoph Lameter
2022-06-29  2:49             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-04 16:13               ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-06 17:43                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-19 11:52                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-07-04 20:34   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 17:50     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 17:55       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:05         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:26             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:31               ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:36                 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2022-07-06 18:40                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-06 18:51                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-06 18:55                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-08 13:41           ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-08 17:48             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-08 20:13               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-08 21:55               ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-10  5:26                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-10  7:32                   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-11 12:15                     ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12  4:39                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-12  7:40                         ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12  8:39                           ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-12  9:52                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12 15:25                               ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-12 16:32                                 ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-12 17:26                                   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-12 17:36                                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-12 18:11                                       ` Shakeel Butt
2022-07-12 18:43                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-13 13:56                                           ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-12 19:11                                         ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-12 16:24                               ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-18 14:13                                 ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-13  2:39                               ` Roman Gushchin
2022-07-13 14:24                                 ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-13 16:24                                   ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-14  6:15                                     ` Yafang Shao
2022-07-18 17:55                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 11:30                                   ` cgroup specific sticky resources (was: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator.) Michal Hocko
2022-07-19 18:00                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 18:01                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 18:46                                       ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 19:16                                         ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 19:30                                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 19:38                                             ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 19:40                                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-07-19 19:47                                               ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 19:54                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-19 20:16                                                   ` Mina Almasry
2022-07-19 20:29                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-07-20 12:26                                         ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-12 18:40                           ` [PATCH bpf-next 0/5] bpf: BPF specific memory allocator Alexei Starovoitov
2022-07-18 12:27                             ` Michal Hocko
2022-07-13  2:27                           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-07-11 12:22               ` Michal Hocko

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