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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: "guanghui.fgh" <guanghuifeng@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com, jianyong.wu@arm.com,
	james.morse@arm.com, quic_qiancai@quicinc.com,
	christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu, jonathan@marek.ca,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, thunder.leizhen@huawei.com,
	anshuman.khandual@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rppt@kernel.org,
	geert+renesas@glider.be, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	yaohongbo@linux.alibaba.com,
	alikernel-developer@linux.alibaba.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] arm64: mm: fix linear mem mapping access performance degradation
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 13:11:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220705121115.GB1012@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d044fdd-a61a-d60f-d294-89e17de37712@linux.alibaba.com>

On Tue, Jul 05, 2022 at 08:07:07PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> 
> 
> 在 2022/7/5 17:52, Will Deacon 写道:
> > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 07:09:23PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 at 18:38, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:34:07PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 在 2022/7/4 22:23, Will Deacon 写道:
> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 10:11:27PM +0800, guanghui.fgh wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > > > > Namely, it's need to use non block/section mapping for crashkernel mem
> > > > > > > before shringking.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, yes, but we can change arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres() not to do
> > > > > > that if we're leaving the thing mapped, no?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > I think we should use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres for crashkernel mem.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Because when invalid crashkernel mem pagetable, there is no chance to rd/wr
> > > > > the crashkernel mem by mistake.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If we don't use arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres to invalid crashkernel mem
> > > > > pagetable, there maybe some write operations to these mem by mistake which
> > > > > may cause crashkernel boot error and vmcore saving error.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't really buy this line of reasoning. The entire main kernel is
> > > > writable, so why do we care about protecting the crashkernel so much? The
> > > > _code_ to launch the crash kernel is writable! If you care about preventing
> > > > writes to memory which should not be writable, then you should use
> > > > rodata=full.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > This is not entirely true - the core kernel text and rodata are
> > > remapped r/o in the linear map, whereas all module code and rodata are
> > > left writable when rodata != full.
> > 
> > Yes, sorry, you're quite right. The kernel text is only writable if
> > rodata=off.
> > 
> > But I still think it makes sense to protect the crashkernel only if
> > rodata=full (which is the default on arm64) as this allows us to rely
> > on page mappings and I think fits well with what we do for modules.
> > 
> > > But the conclusion is the same, imo: if you can't be bothered to
> > > protect a good chunk of the code and rodata that the kernel relies on,
> > > why should the crashkernel be treated any differently?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Will
> Thanks.
> 
> 1.The rodata full is harm to the performance and has been disabled in-house.
> 
> 2.When using crashkernel with rodata non full, the kernel also will use non
> block/section mapping which cause high d-TLB miss and degrade performance
> greatly.
> This patch fix it to use block/section mapping as far as possible.
> 
> bool can_set_direct_map(void)
> {
> 	return rodata_full || debug_pagealloc_enabled();
> }
> 
> map_mem:
> if (can_set_direct_map() || IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_KFENCE))
> 	flags |= NO_BLOCK_MAPPINGS | NO_CONT_MAPPINGS;
> 
> 3.When rodata full is disabled, crashkernel also need protect(keep
> arch_kexec_[un]protect_crashkres using).
> I think crashkernel should't depend on radata full(Maybe other architecture
> don't support radata full now).

I think this is going round in circles :/

As a first step, can we please leave the crashkernel mapped unless
rodata=full? It should be a much simpler patch to write, review and maintain
and it gives you the performance you want when crashkernel is being used.

Will


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-05 12:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-02 15:57 Guanghui Feng
2022-07-04 10:35 ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 10:58   ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 11:14     ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 12:05       ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 13:15         ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 13:41           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:11           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 14:23             ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 14:34               ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-04 16:38                 ` Will Deacon
2022-07-04 17:09                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-05  8:35                     ` Baoquan He
2022-07-05  9:52                     ` Will Deacon
2022-07-05 12:07                       ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:11                         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2022-07-05 12:27                           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 12:56                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 13:17                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-05 15:02                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 15:34                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 15:57                               ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05 17:05                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-05 20:45                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-06  2:49                                     ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06  7:43                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 10:04                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-06 13:54                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-06 15:18                                         ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:30                                           ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-06 15:40                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-07 17:02                                             ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-08 12:28                                             ` [PATCH RESEND " guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 13:44                                               ` [PATCH v5] " Guanghui Feng
2022-07-10 14:32                                                 ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-10 15:33                                                 ` guanghui.fgh
2022-07-18 13:10                                                   ` Will Deacon
2022-07-25  6:46                                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-05  2:44                   ` [PATCH v4] " guanghui.fgh

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