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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: "David Vernet" <void@manifault.com>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	tj@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@kernel.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	kernel-team@fb.com, "Richard Palethorpe" <rpalethorpe@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] cgroup: Account for memory_recursiveprot in test_memcg_low()
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 17:44:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220509174424.e43e695ffe0f7333c187fba8@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ynkum8DeJIAtGi9y@cmpxchg.org>

On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:09:15 -0400 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:40:15AM -0700, David Vernet wrote:
> > Sorry for the delayed reply, Michal. I've been at LSFMM this week.
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:26:20AM +0200, Michal Koutný wrote:
> > > I still think that the behavior when there's no protection left for the
> > > memory.low == 0 child, there should be no memory.low events (not just
> > > uncounted but not happening) and test should not accept this (even
> > > though it's the current behavior).
> >
> > That's fair. I think part of the problem here is that in general, the
> > memcontroller itself is quite heuristic, so it's tough to write tests that
> > provide useful coverage while also being sufficiently flexible to avoid
> > flakiness and over-prescribing expected behavior. In this case I think it's
> > probably correct that the memory.low == 0 child shouldn't inherit
> > protection from its parent under any circumstances due to its siblings
> > overcommitting the parent's protection, but I also wonder if it's really
> > necessary to enforce that. If you look at how much memory A/B/E gets at the
> > end of the reclaim, it's still far less than 1MB (though should it be 0?).
> > I'd be curious to hear what Johannes thinks.
> 
> We need to distinguish between what the siblings declare and what they
> consume.
> 
> My understanding of the issue you're raising, Michal, is that
> protected siblings start with current > low, then get reclaimed
> slightly too much and end up with current < low. This results in a
> tiny bit of float that then gets assigned to the low=0 sibling; when
> that sibling gets reclaimed regardless, it sees a low event. Correct
> me if I missed a detail or nuance here.
> 
> But unused float going to siblings is intentional. This is documented
> in point 3 in the comment above effective_protection(): if you use
> less than you're legitimately claiming, the float goes to your
> siblings. So the problem doesn't seem to be with low accounting and
> event generation, but rather it's simply overreclaim.
> 
> It's conceivable to make reclaim more precise and then tighten up the
> test. But right now, David's patch looks correct to me.

So I think we're OK with [2/5] now.  Unless there be objections, I'll
be looking to get this series into mm-stable later this week.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-10  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-23 15:56 [PATCH v2 0/5] Fix bugs in memcontroller cgroup tests David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] cgroups: Refactor children cgroups in memcg tests David Vernet
2022-04-26  1:56   ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] cgroup: Account for memory_recursiveprot in test_memcg_low() David Vernet
2022-04-27 14:09   ` Michal Koutný
2022-04-29  1:03     ` David Vernet
2022-04-29  9:26       ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-06 16:40         ` David Vernet
2022-05-09 15:09           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-05-10  0:44             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2022-05-10 17:43               ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-11 17:53                 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-05-12 17:27                   ` Michal Koutný
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] cgroup: Account for memory_localevents in test_memcg_oom_group_leaf_events() David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] cgroup: Removing racy check in test_memcg_sock() David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] cgroup: Fix racy check in alloc_pagecache_max_30M() helper function David Vernet
2022-05-12 17:04 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Fix bugs in memcontroller cgroup tests Michal Koutný
2022-05-12 17:30   ` David Vernet
2022-05-12 17:44     ` David Vernet
2022-05-13 17:18       ` [PATCH 0/4] memcontrol selftests fixups Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 17:18         ` [PATCH 1/4] selftests: memcg: Fix compilation Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 17:40           ` David Vernet
2022-05-13 18:53           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 19:09             ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 17:18         ` [PATCH 2/4] selftests: memcg: Expect no low events in unprotected sibling Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 17:42           ` David Vernet
2022-05-13 18:54           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18 15:54             ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 17:18         ` [PATCH 3/4] selftests: memcg: Adjust expected reclaim values of protected cgroups Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 18:52           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 17:18         ` [PATCH 4/4] selftests: memcg: Remove protection from top level memcg Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 18:59           ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18  0:24             ` Andrew Morton
2022-05-18  0:52               ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18 15:44                 ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 19:14           ` David Vernet

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