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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/4] selftests: cgroup: add a selftest for memory.reclaim
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:16:12 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220425151612.izmxhkgugq6isyz3@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkbhjJDNXcAmiAkGT8RCvBSz=SAfh7JR3AJysSz29hcEgw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 02:43:13PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
[...]
> > > +     cg_run_nowait(memcg, alloc_pagecache_50M_noexit, (void *)(long)fd);
> > > +     sleep(1);
> >
> > These sleep(1)s do not seem robust. Since kernel keeps the page cache
> > around, you can convert anon to use tmpfs and use simple cg_run to
> > trigger the allocations of anon (tmpfs) and file which will remain in
> > memory even after return from cg_run.
> 
> Other tests in the file are also using sleep approach (see
> test_memcg_min, although it retries for multiple times until
> memory.current reaches an expected amount). In my experience it hasn't
> been flaky running for multiple times on different machines, but I
> agree it can be flaky (false negative).
> 

If other tests are doing the same then ignore this comment for now.
There should be a separate effort to move towards more deterministic
approach for the tests instead of sleep().

> I am not sure about the allocating file pages with cg_run, is it
> guaranteed that the page cache will remain in memory until the test
> ends? If it doesn't, it can also flake, but it would produce false
> positives (the test could pass because the kernel drained page cache
> for some other reason although the interface is not working
> correctly).
> 
> In my personal opinion, false negative flakes are better than false
> positives. At least currently the test explicitly and clearly fails if
> the allocations are not successful. If we rely on the page cache
> remaining until the test finishes then it could silently pass if the
> interface is not working correctly.
> 
> There are a few ways we can go forward with this:
> 1) Keep everything as-is, but print a message if the test fails due to
> memory.current not reaching 100MB to make it clear that it didn't fail
> due to a problem with the interface.
> 2) Add a sleep/retry loop similar to test_memcg_min instead of sleeping once.
> 3) Send a signal from forked children when they are done with the
> allocation, and wait to receive this signal in the test to make sure
> the allocation is completed.
> 
> In my opinion we should do (1) (and maybe (2)) for now as (3) could be
> an overkill if the test is normal passing. Maybe add a comment about
> (3) being an option in the future if the test flakes. Let me know what
> you think?

I am ok with (1).


      reply	other threads:[~2022-04-25 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-21 23:44 [PATCH v4 0/4] memcg: introduce per-memcg proactive reclaim Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-21 23:44 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] memcg: introduce per-memcg reclaim interface Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-23 13:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-04-23 21:44     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-21 23:44 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] selftests: cgroup: return -errno from cg_read()/cg_write() on failure Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-23 14:01   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-04-21 23:44 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] selftests: cgroup: fix alloc_anon_noexit() instantly freeing memory Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-23 14:03   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-04-21 23:44 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] selftests: cgroup: add a selftest for memory.reclaim Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-23 14:28   ` Shakeel Butt
2022-04-23 21:43     ` Yosry Ahmed
2022-04-25 15:16       ` Shakeel Butt [this message]

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