From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>, MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
Stephen Brennan <stephen.s.brennan@oracle.com>,
Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] mm/vmscan: add periodic slab shrinker
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 10:01:30 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220406000130.GZ1609613@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ykyy8RfJgWDOGylv@casper.infradead.org>
On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 10:21:53PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 01:58:59PM -0700, Yang Shi wrote:
> > Yeah, I agree it actually doesn't make too much sense to return the
> > number of reclaimed objects. Other part of vmscan returns the number
> > of base pages, the sizes of slab objects are varied, it may be much
> > smaller than a page, for example, dentry may be 192 bytes.
>
> From the point of view of vmscan, it only cares about the number of pages
> freed because it's trying to free pages. But from the point of view of
> trying to keep the number of non-useful objects in check, the number of
> objects freed is more important, and it doesn't matter whether we ended
> up freeing any pages because we made memory available for this slab cache.
Yes and no. If the memory pressure is being placed on this cache,
then freeing any number of objects is a win-win situation - reclaim
makes progress and new allocations don't need to wait for reclaim.
However, if there is no pressure on this slab cache, then freeing
objects but no actual memory pages is largely wasted reclaim effort.
Freeing those objects does nothing to alleviate the memory shortage,
and the memory freed is not going to be consumed any time soon so
all we've done is fragment the slab cache and require the subsystem
to spend more resources re-populating it. That's a lose-lose.
We want to select the shrinkers that will result in the former
occurring, not the latter.
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-06 0:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-02 7:21 Hillf Danton
2022-04-02 17:54 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-03 0:56 ` Hillf Danton
2022-04-04 1:09 ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-04 5:14 ` Hillf Danton
2022-04-04 18:32 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-04 19:08 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-05 5:17 ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-05 16:35 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-05 20:58 ` Yang Shi
2022-04-05 21:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-04-06 0:01 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2022-04-06 4:14 ` Hillf Danton
2022-04-21 19:03 ` Kent Overstreet
2022-04-21 23:55 ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-05 21:31 ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-06 0:11 ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-05 17:22 ` Stephen Brennan
2022-04-05 21:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-04-05 23:54 ` Dave Chinner
2022-04-06 1:06 ` Stephen Brennan
2022-04-06 3:52 ` Dave Chinner
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