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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bristot@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	pjt@google.com, posk@google.com, avagin@google.com,
	jannh@google.com, tdelisle@uwaterloo.ca, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	posk@posk.io
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Avoid unmapping pinned pages
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:40:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220121114058.GE20638@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10d6cc13-b96b-e1b6-8751-1b245b242738@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:04:45AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 21.01.22 09:59, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > However, I'm not quite sure what fork() does with pages that have a pin.
> 
> We COW the anon pages always, and we protect against concurrent GUP
> using the
> * mmap_lock in exclusive mode for ordinary GUP
> * mm->write_protect_seq for GUP-fast

Right, but neither the mmap_sem nor the write_protect_seq help anything
at all vs already extant page pins.

But I just found copy_present_page()'s page_needs_cow_for_dma(), which I
think deals with exactly that case, it avoids doing CoW on pinned pages
and instead feeds the child a full copy while keeping the pinned page in
the original process.

> > Naively, a page that has async DMA activity should not be CoW'ed, or if
> > it is, care must be taken to ensure the original pages stays in the
> > original process, but I realize that's somewhat hard.
> 
> That's precisely what I'm working on fixing ... and yes, it's hard.
> 
> Let me know if you need any other information, I've spent way too much
> time on this than I ever panned.

So let me try and get this right:

 - GUP post-fork breaks CoW for FOLL_WRITE/FOLL_PIN, without either
   there's a problem where one task might observe changes by another.

 - GUP pre-fork prevents CoW and does a full copy.

And that all mostly works, except for a fair amount of 'fun' cases?



  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-21 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-20 15:55 [RFC][PATCH v2 0/5] sched: User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-20 15:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/5] mm: Avoid unmapping pinned pages Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-20 18:03   ` Nadav Amit
2022-01-21  7:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-20 18:25   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-21  7:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21  8:22       ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-21  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21  9:04         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-21 11:40           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-01-21 12:04             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-01-20 15:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/5] entry,x86: Create common IRQ operations for exceptions Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 16:34   ` Mark Rutland
2022-01-20 15:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/5] sched/umcg: add WF_CURRENT_CPU and externise ttwu Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-20 15:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 4/5] x86/uaccess: Implement unsafe_try_cmpxchg_user() Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-27  2:17   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-27  6:36     ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-27  9:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-27 23:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-28  0:17           ` Nick Desaulniers
2022-01-28 16:29             ` Sean Christopherson
2022-01-27  9:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-20 15:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 5/5] sched: User Mode Concurency Groups Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 11:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 15:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 14:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 16:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 17:06           ` Peter Oskolkov
2022-01-25 14:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 13:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 12:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 16:57   ` Mark Rutland
2022-01-24  9:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 10:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 10:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-24 10:27         ` Mark Rutland
2022-01-24 14:46   ` Tao Zhou
2022-01-27 12:19     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-27 18:33       ` Tao Zhou
2022-01-27 12:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-27 18:47       ` Tao Zhou
2022-01-27 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-27 18:31   ` Tao Zhou
2022-01-20 17:28 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 0/5] sched: User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Oskolkov
2022-01-21  8:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-21 18:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2022-01-24  8:20   ` Peter Zijlstra

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