From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: Phyr Starter
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:56:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220120135602.GA11223@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220111004126.GJ2328285@nvidia.com>
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:41:26PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Finally, it may be possible to stop using scatterlist to describe the
> > input to the DMA-mapping operation. We may be able to get struct
> > scatterlist down to just dma_address and dma_length, with chaining
> > handled through an enclosing struct.
>
> Can you talk about this some more? IMHO one of the key properties of
> the scatterlist is that it can hold huge amounts of pages without
> having to do any kind of special allocation due to the chaining.
>
> The same will be true of the phyr idea right?
No special allocations as in no vmalloc? The chaining still has to
allocate memory using a mempool.
Anyway, to explain my idea which is very similar but not identical to
the one willy has:
- on the input side to dma mapping the bio_vecs (or phyrs) are chained
as bios or whatever the containing structure is. These already exist
and have infrastructure at least in the block layer
- on the output side I plan for two options:
1) we have a sane IOMMU and everyting will be coalesced into a
single dma_range. This requires setting the block layer
merge boundary to match the IOMMU page size, but that is
a very good thing to do anyway.
2) we have no IOMMU (or a weird one) and get one output dma_range
per input bio_vec. We'd eithe have to support chaining or use
vmalloc or huge numbers of entries.
> If you limit to that scenario then we can be more optimal because
> things like byte granular offsets and size in the interior pages don't
> need to exist. Every interior chunk is always aligned to its order and
> we only need to record the order.
The block layer does not small offsets. Direct I/O can often be
512 byte aligned, and some other passthrough commands can have even
smaller alignment, although I don't think we ever go below 4-byte
alignment anywhere in the block layer.
> IMHO storage density here is quite important, we end up having to keep
> this stuff around for a long time.
If we play these tricks it won't be general purpose enough to get rid
of the existing scatterlist usage.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-01-20 13:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-01-10 19:34 Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 0:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 4:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 15:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 18:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 20:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 21:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 22:09 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 22:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 23:02 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 22:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 22:57 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 23:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 23:08 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2022-01-12 18:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-12 19:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-20 14:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-20 17:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-20 14:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-11 9:05 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-01-11 20:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-20 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-20 13:56 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2022-01-20 15:27 ` Keith Busch
2022-01-20 15:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-20 17:54 ` Robin Murphy
2022-01-11 8:17 ` John Hubbard
2022-01-11 14:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 15:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-01-11 17:31 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2022-01-20 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-20 21:35 ` John Hubbard
2022-01-11 11:40 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-11 13:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-11 14:10 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-01-20 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
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