From: Vito Caputo <vcaputo@pengaru.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ammar Faizi <ammarfaizi2@gnuweeb.org>,
Drew DeVault <sir@cmpwn.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
io_uring Mailing List <io-uring@vger.kernel.org>,
Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Increase default MLOCK_LIMIT to 8 MiB
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 11:21:48 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211116192148.vjdlng7pesbgjs6b@shells.gnugeneration.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b97f1b15-fbcc-92a4-96ca-e918c2f6c7a3@kernel.dk>
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:55:41AM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 11/16/21 11:36 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 08:35:30PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >> I'd also be interested in seeing feedback from the MM developers.
> > [...]
> >> Subject: Increase default MLOCK_LIMIT to 8 MiB
> >
> > On the one hand, processes can already allocate at least this much
> > memory that is non-swappable, just by doing things like opening a lot of
> > files (allocating struct file & fdtable), using a lot of address space
> > (allocating page tables), so I don't have a problem with it per se.
> >
> > On the other hand, 64kB is available on anything larger than an IBM XT.
> > Linux will still boot on machines with 4MB of RAM (eg routers). For
> > someone with a machine with only, say, 32MB of memory, this allows a
> > process to make a quarter of the memory unswappable, and maybe that's
> > not a good idea. So perhaps this should scale over a certain range?
> >
> > Is 8MB a generally useful amount of memory for an iouring user anyway?
> > If you're just playing with it, sure, but if you have, oh i don't know,
> > a database, don't you want to pin the entire cache and allow IO to the
> > whole thing?
>
> 8MB is plenty for most casual use cases, which is exactly the ones that
> we want to "just work" without requiring weird system level
> modifications to increase the memlock limit.
>
Considering a single fullscreen 32bpp 4K-resolution framebuffer is
~32MiB, I'm not convinced this is really correct in nearly 2022.
If we're going to bump the default at the kernel, I'm with Matthew on
making it autoscale within a sane range, depending on available
memory.
As an upper bound I'd probably look at the highest anticipated
consumer resolutions, and handle a couple fullscreen 32bpp instances
being pinned.
Regards,
Vito Caputo
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2021-11-16 4:35 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-16 6:32 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 19:47 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-16 19:48 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-17 8:23 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-22 17:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 17:55 ` Andrew Dona-Couch
2021-11-22 18:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 19:53 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 20:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-22 20:04 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 20:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-22 20:44 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-22 21:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 12:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 13:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 13:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 14:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 17:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-23 17:04 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-23 22:04 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-23 23:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 8:57 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 13:29 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 13:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 14:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 15:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 16:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 18:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-24 19:09 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-30 15:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 18:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-24 14:37 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-11-24 14:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-11-16 18:36 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-11-16 18:44 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 18:55 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-16 19:21 ` Vito Caputo [this message]
2021-11-16 19:25 ` Drew DeVault
2021-11-16 19:46 ` Vito Caputo
2021-11-16 19:41 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-17 22:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-11-17 23:17 ` Jens Axboe
2021-11-18 21:58 ` Andrew Morton
2021-11-19 7:41 ` Drew DeVault
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