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[216.209.220.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b13sm2674731qtb.13.2021.09.16.14.00.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 17:00:46 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Chris Mason Cc: James Bottomley , Theodore Ts'o , Johannes Weiner , Kent Overstreet , Matthew Wilcox , Linus Torvalds , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , linux-fsdevel , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Andrew Morton , "Darrick J. Wong" , Christoph Hellwig , David Howells , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Folios as a potential Kernel/Maintainers Summit topic? Message-ID: <20210916210046.ourwrk6uqeisi555@meerkat.local> References: <17242A0C-3613-41BB-84E4-2617A182216E@fb.com> <33a2000f56d51284e2df0cfcd704e93977684b59.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <261D65D8-7273-4884-BD01-2BF8331F4034@fb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <261D65D8-7273-4884-BD01-2BF8331F4034@fb.com> Authentication-Results: imf18.hostedemail.com; dkim=pass header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.s=google header.b=U76FJWxj; spf=pass (imf18.hostedemail.com: domain of konstantin@linuxfoundation.org designates 209.85.219.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=konstantin@linuxfoundation.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=linuxfoundation.org X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9DA9240020B2 X-Stat-Signature: 76w8mo6inj4ic11xpdrmcbmsbnipd3rs X-HE-Tag: 1631826049-17087 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 08:38:13PM +0000, Chris Mason wrote: > Agree here. Mailing lists make it really hard to figure out when these > conflicts are resolved, which is why I love using google docs for that = part. I would caution that Google docs aren't universally accessible. China blo= cks access to many Google resources, and now Russia purportedly does the same= . Perhaps a similar effect can be reached with a git repository with limite= d commit access? At least then commits can be attested to individual author= s. > A living document with a single source of truth on key design points, w= ork > remaining, and stakeholders who are responsible for ack/nack decisions. > Basically if you don=E2=80=99t have edit permissions on the document, y= ou=E2=80=99re not one > of the people that can say no. >=20 > If you do have edit permissions, you=E2=80=99re expected to be on board= with the > overall goal and help work through the design/validation/code/etc until > you=E2=80=99re ready to ack it, or until it=E2=80=99s clear the whole t= hing isn=E2=80=99t going to > work. If you feel you need to have edit permissions, you=E2=80=99ve go= t a defined > set of people to talk with about it. >=20 > It can=E2=80=99t completely replace the mailing lists, but it can take = a lot of the > archeology out of understanding a given patch series and figuring out i= f > it=E2=80=99s actually ready to go. You can combine the two and use mailing lists as the source of truth by u= sing Link: tags in commits to make it easy to verify history and provenance. -K