From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDEFC433F5 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB646121F for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:26:56 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 mail.kernel.org 5BB646121F Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-foundation.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id A6A506B0071; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 9F3D2900002; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 8BA9F6B0073; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0214.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.214]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778866B0071 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpin01.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA12183A3880 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:26:55 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 78594419190.01.D2B0C33 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by imf02.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AA47001777 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DF9B610E9; Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:26:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linux-foundation.org; s=korg; t=1631820413; bh=cj4YYql3ialFH5a3FIsQKbEh3n2waZxbKmXBYlo5ynk=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=wdf67NTnj8bDQNSnGOX2sXk1GF2gDGSOttrakL9aAa7bg20ZWrn1C5mEpcQd9Vw1r K14k1JMqcRv2/wJBiXdHtKJ6WEM8L6rNW8lcAaoV0/6Z5nLmt5E/tjLUeErUhnajMU Rm7FKOONV0I+tiPRTX5DNzKLBHBEXAYdfQ8Q5QwQ= Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:26:52 -0700 From: Andrew Morton To: "Theodore Ts'o" Cc: James Bottomley , Chris Mason , Johannes Weiner , Kent Overstreet , Matthew Wilcox , Linus Torvalds , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , linux-fsdevel , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "Darrick J. Wong" , Christoph Hellwig , David Howells , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Folios as a potential Kernel/Maintainers Summit topic? Message-Id: <20210916122652.b6ab789e968263eb4ab31626@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: References: <17242A0C-3613-41BB-84E4-2617A182216E@fb.com> <33a2000f56d51284e2df0cfcd704e93977684b59.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: imf02.hostedemail.com; dkim=pass header.d=linux-foundation.org header.s=korg header.b=wdf67NTn; spf=pass (imf02.hostedemail.com: domain of akpm@linux-foundation.org designates 198.145.29.99 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=akpm@linux-foundation.org; dmarc=none X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C2AA47001777 X-Stat-Signature: ncktz9ood3usyiihwpx8gj7rrd9sbo9m X-HE-Tag: 1631820414-513494 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 15:15:29 -0400 "Theodore Ts'o" wrote: > What typically happens is if someone were to try to play games like > this inside, say, the Networking subsystem, past a certain point, > David Miller will just take the patch series, ignoring people who have > NACK's down if they can't be justified. The difference is that even > though Andrew Morton (the titular maintainer for all of Memory > Management, per the MAINTAINERS file), Andrew seems to have a much > lighter touch on how the mm subsystem is run. I do the Dave thing sometimes. We aren't at that point with folios though. The discussions and objections and approvals are all substantial and things are still playing out.