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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Anshuman Khandual" <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"James Morse" <james.morse@arm.com>,
	"Robin Murphy" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 1/2] arm64/mm: Fix pfn_valid() for ZONE_DEVICE based memory
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:51:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210202125152.GC16868@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f32e7caa-3414-9dd7-eb8c-220da1d925a1@redhat.com>

On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 01:39:29PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 02.02.21 13:35, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 12:32:15PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 09:41:53AM +0530, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
> > > > pfn_valid() validates a pfn but basically it checks for a valid struct page
> > > > backing for that pfn. It should always return positive for memory ranges
> > > > backed with struct page mapping. But currently pfn_valid() fails for all
> > > > ZONE_DEVICE based memory types even though they have struct page mapping.
> > > > 
> > > > pfn_valid() asserts that there is a memblock entry for a given pfn without
> > > > MEMBLOCK_NOMAP flag being set. The problem with ZONE_DEVICE based memory is
> > > > that they do not have memblock entries. Hence memblock_is_map_memory() will
> > > > invariably fail via memblock_search() for a ZONE_DEVICE based address. This
> > > > eventually fails pfn_valid() which is wrong. memblock_is_map_memory() needs
> > > > to be skipped for such memory ranges. As ZONE_DEVICE memory gets hotplugged
> > > > into the system via memremap_pages() called from a driver, their respective
> > > > memory sections will not have SECTION_IS_EARLY set.
> > > > 
> > > > Normal hotplug memory will never have MEMBLOCK_NOMAP set in their memblock
> > > > regions. Because the flag MEMBLOCK_NOMAP was specifically designed and set
> > > > for firmware reserved memory regions. memblock_is_map_memory() can just be
> > > > skipped as its always going to be positive and that will be an optimization
> > > > for the normal hotplug memory. Like ZONE_DEVICE based memory, all normal
> > > > hotplugged memory too will not have SECTION_IS_EARLY set for their sections
> > > > 
> > > > Skipping memblock_is_map_memory() for all non early memory sections would
> > > > fix pfn_valid() problem for ZONE_DEVICE based memory and also improve its
> > > > performance for normal hotplug memory as well.
> > > 
> > > Hmm. Although I follow your logic, this does seem to rely on an awful lot of
> > > assumptions to continue to hold true as the kernel evolves. In particular,
> > > how do we ensure that early sections are always fully backed with
> > 
> > Sorry, typo here:       ^^^ should be *non-early* sections.
> 
> It might be a good idea to have a look at generic
> include/linux/mmzone.h:pfn_valid()

The generic implementation already makes assumptions that aren't true on
arm64, so that's why we've ended up with our own implementation. But the
patches here put us in a position where I worry that pfn_valid() may return
'true' in future for cases where the underlying struct page is either
non-existent or bogus, and debugging those failures really sucks. We had a
raft of those back when NOMAP was introduced and I don't want to re-live
that experience.

> As I expressed already, long term we should really get rid of the arm64
> variant and rather special-case the generic one. Then we won't go out of
> sync - just as it happened with ZONE_DEVICE handling here.

Why does this have to be long term? This ZONE_DEVICE stuff could be the
carrot on the stick :)

Will


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-02 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-02  4:11 [PATCH V2 0/2] " Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-02  4:11 ` [PATCH V2 1/2] " Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-02 12:32   ` Will Deacon
2021-02-02 12:35     ` Will Deacon
2021-02-02 12:39       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-02 12:51         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2021-02-02 12:56           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-03  3:50             ` Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-05 18:55               ` Will Deacon
2021-02-11 11:53                 ` Will Deacon
2021-02-11 12:10                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-11 12:21                     ` Will Deacon
2021-02-11 12:35                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-03 19:04                       ` Catalin Marinas
2021-03-03 19:24                         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-03 21:24                         ` Will Deacon
2021-03-04  3:31                           ` Anshuman Khandual
2021-03-04  8:12                             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-03-04  9:36                               ` Will Deacon
2021-03-05  4:22                                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-02  4:11 ` [PATCH V2 2/2] arm64/mm: Reorganize pfn_valid() Anshuman Khandual
2021-02-02  8:26   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-05 18:52 ` [PATCH V2 0/2] arm64/mm: Fix pfn_valid() for ZONE_DEVICE based memory Will Deacon

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