From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C431C433E0 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AF123107 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:28 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 96AF123107 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=suse.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 9C41F8D00B4; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 94E958D00B0; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 7A18C8D00B4; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0169.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.169]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D76E8D00B0 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 04:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpin17.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26937824999B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:27 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 77747380494.17.cats83_2e117372758d Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.16.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.16.251]) by smtpin17.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C15A181355E0 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:27 +0000 (UTC) X-HE-Tag: cats83_2e117372758d X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 6468 Received: from mx2.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by imf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.com; s=susede1; t=1611652825; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=7Fkh8i4u2Ds7suNHQy8ffJkc7y8JY+c/ULxceSUkTds=; b=bqWhNQD/hZoyEpF0cNuKXozUxgro+R+IfdOU/BS2HiMG0+8sw32ccg9JoavrsQIkP6dpVh K1iIWCeUmEMm4VHXkiZqSBFZqfHjVghsxokwQGllYDgcYi1VKxKpTZai9iq1zdfPF7t7A3 /qszOeSUVbFlKJZaNJgfQ/OCqYtH1GU= Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.221.27]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DAAB291; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:20:23 +0100 From: Michal Hocko To: Mike Rapoport Cc: Andrew Morton , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Catalin Marinas , Christopher Lameter , Dan Williams , Dave Hansen , David Hildenbrand , Elena Reshetova , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , James Bottomley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Matthew Wilcox , Mark Rutland , Mike Rapoport , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Paul Walmsley , Peter Zijlstra , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleixner , Tycho Andersen , Will Deacon , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org, Hagen Paul Pfeifer , Palmer Dabbelt Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 06/11] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Message-ID: <20210126092023.GH827@dhcp22.suse.cz> References: <20210121122723.3446-1-rppt@kernel.org> <20210121122723.3446-7-rppt@kernel.org> <20210125170122.GU827@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20210125213618.GL6332@kernel.org> <20210126071614.GX827@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20210126083311.GN6332@kernel.org> <20210126090013.GF827@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210126090013.GF827@dhcp22.suse.cz> X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Tue 26-01-21 10:00:14, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Tue 26-01-21 10:33:11, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 08:16:14AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote: > > > On Mon 25-01-21 23:36:18, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 06:01:22PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > On Thu 21-01-21 14:27:18, Mike Rapoport wrote: > > > > > > From: Mike Rapoport > > > > > > > > > > > > Introduce "memfd_secret" system call with the ability to create memory > > > > > > areas visible only in the context of the owning process and not mapped not > > > > > > only to other processes but in the kernel page tables as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > The user will create a file descriptor using the memfd_secret() system > > > > > > call. The memory areas created by mmap() calls from this file descriptor > > > > > > will be unmapped from the kernel direct map and they will be only mapped in > > > > > > the page table of the owning mm. > > > > > > > > > > > > The secret memory remains accessible in the process context using uaccess > > > > > > primitives, but it is not accessible using direct/linear map addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Functions in the follow_page()/get_user_page() family will refuse to return > > > > > > a page that belongs to the secret memory area. > > > > > > > > > > > > A page that was a part of the secret memory area is cleared when it is > > > > > > freed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The following example demonstrates creation of a secret mapping (error > > > > > > handling is omitted): > > > > > > > > > > > > fd = memfd_secret(0); > > > > > > ftruncate(fd, MAP_SIZE); > > > > > > ptr = mmap(NULL, MAP_SIZE, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0); > > > > > > > > > > I do not see any access control or permission model for this feature. > > > > > Is this feature generally safe to anybody? > > > > > > > > The mappings obey memlock limit. Besides, this feature should be enabled > > > > explicitly at boot with the kernel parameter that says what is the maximal > > > > memory size secretmem can consume. > > > > > > Why is such a model sufficient and future proof? I mean even when it has > > > to be enabled by an admin it is still all or nothing approach. Mlock > > > limit is not really useful because it is per mm rather than per user. > > > > > > Is there any reason why this is allowed for non-privileged processes? > > > Maybe this has been discussed in the past but is there any reason why > > > this cannot be done by a special device which will allow to provide at > > > least some permission policy? > > > > Why this should not be allowed for non-privileged processes? This behaves > > similarly to mlocked memory, so I don't see a reason why secretmem should > > have different permissions model. > > Because appart from the reclaim aspect it fragments the direct mapping > IIUC. That might have an impact on all others, right? Also forgot to mention that you rely on a contiguous allocations and that can become a very scarce resource so what does prevent one abuser from using it all and deny the access to others. And unless I am missing something allocation failure would lead to OOM which cannot really help because the oom killer cannot compensate for the CMA reservation. -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs