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From: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
To: Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	andi.kleen@intel.com, "Chen, Tim C" <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: memcg: add a new MEMCG_UPDATE_BATCH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 12:45:50 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210106044550.GA3184@shbuild999.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X/Ux6CT6EsP+QQ8S@chrisdown.name>

Hi Chris,

On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 03:43:36AM +0000, Chris Down wrote:
> Feng Tang writes:
> >One further thought is, there are quite some "BATCH" number in
> >kernel for perf-cpu/global data updating, maybe we can add a
> >global flag 'sysctl_need_accurate_stats' for
> >	if (sysctl_need_accurate_stats)
> >		batch = SMALLER_BATCH
> >	else
> >		batch = BIGGER_BATCH
> 
> Moving decisions like this to the system administrator is not really a
> solution to the problem -- inclusion should at least be contingent on either
> having "correct-ish" stats exported to userspace. Displaying broken stats to
> the user -- even with a configuration knob -- is less than ideal and is
> likely to confuse and confound issues in future.
> 
> I would also like to see numbers from more real-world workloads.

Sure. Roman also mentioned this. Do you have some suggestions for the
workload or benchmarks? I don't have much knowledge on this, and have
only leveraged some of 0day's benchmarking systems.

Thanks,
Feng

> MEMCG_CHARGE_BATCH is certainly fairly arbitrary as-is, but if it is going
> to be changed, the reason for that change and its implications (positive and
> negative) for real-world workloads must be well understood, and I'm not sure
> we're there yet.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-06  4:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-29 14:35 [PATCH 1/2] mm: page_counter: relayout structure to reduce false sharing Feng Tang
2020-12-29 14:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: memcg: add a new MEMCG_UPDATE_BATCH Feng Tang
2020-12-29 17:13   ` Roman Gushchin
2021-01-04  2:53     ` Feng Tang
2021-01-04  7:46   ` [mm] 4d8191276e: vm-scalability.throughput 43.4% improvement kernel test robot
2021-01-04 13:15   ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: memcg: add a new MEMCG_UPDATE_BATCH Michal Hocko
2021-01-05  1:57     ` Feng Tang
2021-01-06  0:47   ` Shakeel Butt
2021-01-06  2:12     ` Feng Tang
2021-01-06  3:43       ` Chris Down
2021-01-06  3:45         ` Chris Down
2021-01-06  4:45         ` Feng Tang [this message]
2020-12-29 16:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: page_counter: relayout structure to reduce false sharing Roman Gushchin
2020-12-30 14:19   ` Feng Tang
2021-01-04 13:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-04 13:34   ` Feng Tang
2021-01-04 14:11     ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-04 14:44       ` Feng Tang
2021-01-04 15:34         ` Michal Hocko

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