From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
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Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 11:00:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200929090003.GG438822@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200929081938.GC22035@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:19:38AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 16-09-20 23:43:02, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > I can
> > then figure out whether it's better to risk not spotting issues with
> > call_rcu vs slapping a memalloc_noio_save/restore around all these
> > critical section which force-degrades any allocation to GFP_ATOMIC at
>
> did you mean memalloc_noreclaim_* here?
Yeah I picked the wrong one of that family of functions.
> > most, but has the risk that we run into code that assumes "GFP_KERNEL
> > never fails for small stuff" and has a decidedly less tested fallback
> > path than rcu code.
>
> Even if the above then please note that memalloc_noreclaim_* or
> PF_MEMALLOC should be used with an extreme care. Essentially only for
> internal memory reclaimers. It grants access to _all_ the available
> memory so any abuse can be detrimental to the overall system operation.
> Allocation failure in this mode means that we are out of memory and any
> code relying on such an allocation has to carefuly consider failure.
> This is not a random allocation mode.
Agreed, that's why I don't like having these kind of automagic critical
sections. It's a bit a shotgun approach. Paul said that the code would
handle failures, but the problem is that it applies everywhere.
Anyway my understanding is that call_rcu will be reworked and gain a pile
of tricks so that these problems for the callchains leading to call_rcu
all disappear.
-Daniel
--
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-29 9:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-14 20:42 Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 01/13] lib/debug: Remove pointless ARCH_NO_PREEMPT dependencies Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 02/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 03/13] preempt: Clenaup PREEMPT_COUNT leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 10:56 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 04/13] lockdep: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:11 ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 05/13] mm/pagemap: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 0:52 ` kernel test robot
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 06/13] locking/bitspinlock: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:10 ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 07/13] uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 08/13] sched: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 10:56 ` Valentin Schneider
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 09/13] ARM: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 10/13] xtensa: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 11/13] drm/i915: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 12/13] rcutorture: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 13/13] preempt: Remove PREEMPT_COUNT from Kconfig Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:54 ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Steven Rostedt
2020-09-14 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 21:55 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 22:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 3:21 ` [PATCH] crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 - Set SG_MITER_ATOMIC unconditionally Herbert Xu
2020-09-15 6:20 ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-15 6:22 ` Herbert Xu
2020-09-15 6:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 7:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 17:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 8:39 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 17:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 19:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16 7:37 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 15:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16 20:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17 6:38 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-16 20:29 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 20:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 21:43 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 22:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17 7:52 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-17 16:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-29 8:19 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 8:19 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 8:20 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 8:21 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 8:23 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29 9:00 ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2020-09-29 14:54 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-16 19:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-16 20:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-15 17:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
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