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From: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
To: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	<linux-mm@kvack.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Kirill A.Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Yang Shi <yang.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	David Nellans <dnellans@nvidia.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 14:06:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200903210601.GI60440@carbon.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d64a67fd-17e0-644d-7b2b-2a557f0e35f7@oracle.com>

On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 01:57:54PM -0700, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> On 9/3/20 9:25 AM, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 09:32:54AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> >> On Wed 02-09-20 14:06:12, Zi Yan wrote:
> >>> From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> This patchset adds support for 1GB THP on x86_64. It is on top of
> >>> v5.9-rc2-mmots-2020-08-25-21-13.
> >>>
> >>> 1GB THP is more flexible for reducing translation overhead and increasing the
> >>> performance of applications with large memory footprint without application
> >>> changes compared to hugetlb.
> >>
> >> Please be more specific about usecases. This better have some strong
> >> ones because THP code is complex enough already to add on top solely
> >> based on a generic TLB pressure easing.
> > 
> > Hello, Michal!
> > 
> > We at Facebook are using 1 GB hugetlbfs pages and are getting noticeable
> > performance wins on some workloads.
> > 
> > Historically we allocated gigantic pages at the boot time, but recently moved
> > to cma-based dynamic approach. Still, hugetlbfs interface requires more management
> > than we would like to do. 1 GB THP seems to be a better alternative. So I definitely
> > see it as a very useful feature.
> > 
> > Given the cost of an allocation, I'm slightly skeptical about an automatic
> > heuristics-based approach, but if an application can explicitly mark target areas
> > with madvise(), I don't see why it wouldn't work.
> > 
> > In our case we'd like to have a reliable way to get 1 GB THPs at some point
> > (usually at the start of an application), and transparently destroy them on
> > the application exit.
> 
> Hi Roman,
> 
> In your current use case at Facebook, are you adding 1G hugetlb pages to
> the hugetlb pool and then using them within applications?  Or, are you
> dynamically allocating them at fault time (hugetlb overcommit/surplus)?
> 
> Latency time for use of such pages includes:
> - Putting together 1G contiguous
> - Clearing 1G memory
> 
> In the 'allocation at fault time' mode you incur both costs at fault time.
> If using pages from the pool, your only cost at fault time is clearing the
> page.

Hi Mike,

We're using a pool. Under dynamic I mean that gigantic pages are not
allocated at a boot time.

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-03 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-02 18:06 Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 01/16] mm: add pagechain container for storing multiple pages Zi Yan
2020-09-02 20:29   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-09-02 20:48     ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03  3:15   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-07 12:22   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-07 15:11     ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:15         ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 02/16] mm: thp: 1GB anonymous page implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 03/16] mm: proc: add 1GB THP kpageflag Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:46   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 04/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP copy on write implementation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 05/16] mm: thp: handling 1GB THP reference bit Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:09   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:36     ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 06/16] mm: thp: add 1GB THP split_huge_pud_page() function Zi Yan
2020-09-09 14:18   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-09 14:19     ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 07/16] mm: stats: make smap stats understand PUD THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/16] mm: page_vma_walk: teach it about PMD-mapped PUD THP Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP support in try_to_unmap() Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/16] mm: thp: split 1GB THPs at page reclaim Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/16] mm: thp: 1GB THP follow_p*d_page() support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 12/16] mm: support 1GB THP pagemap support Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 13/16] mm: thp: add a knob to enable/disable 1GB THPs Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 14/16] mm: page_alloc: >=MAX_ORDER pages allocation an deallocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 15/16] hugetlb: cma: move cma reserve function to cma.c Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH 16/16] mm: thp: use cma reservation for pud thp allocation Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:40 ` [RFC PATCH 00/16] 1GB THP support on x86_64 Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 18:45   ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 18:48     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 19:05       ` Zi Yan
2020-09-02 19:57         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-02 20:29           ` Zi Yan
2020-09-03 16:40             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 16:55               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:08                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03  7:32 ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 16:25   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-03 16:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 17:01       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-03 17:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-03 20:57     ` Mike Kravetz
2020-09-03 21:06       ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2020-09-04  7:42     ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-04 21:10       ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-07  7:20         ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 15:09           ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 19:58             ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-09  4:01               ` John Hubbard
2020-09-09  7:15               ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-03 14:23 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-09-03 16:30   ` Roman Gushchin
2020-09-08 11:57     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 14:05       ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-08 15:36           ` Zi Yan
2020-09-08 14:27         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-08 15:50           ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 12:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 12:32             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-09 13:14               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-09-09 13:27                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 10:02                   ` William Kucharski
2020-09-08 14:35         ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-08 14:41           ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-08 15:02             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09  7:04             ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-09 13:19               ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:43                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-09 13:49                   ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-09 13:54                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10  7:32                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-10  8:27                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:21                       ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 14:34                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 14:41                           ` Zi Yan
2020-09-10 15:15                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-09-10 13:32                     ` Rik van Riel
2020-09-10 14:30                       ` Zi Yan
2020-09-09 13:59                 ` Michal Hocko

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