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From: Ben Widawsky <ben.widawsky@intel.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan
	<sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <lee.schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	Li Xinhai <lixinhai.lxh@gmail.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/18] multiple preferred nodes
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:02:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200622210207.pzh3olgudod77e3q@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200622205430.GA818054@tassilo.jf.intel.com>

On 20-06-22 13:54:30, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 09:24:07AM -0700, Ben Widawsky wrote:
> > This patch series introduces the concept of the MPOL_PREFERRED_MANY mempolicy.
> 
> So the reason for having a new policy is that you're worried some legacy
> application passes multiple nodes to MPOL_PREFERRED, where all but the
> first would be currently ignored. Is that right?
> 
> Is there any indication that this is actually the case?
> 
> If not I would prefer to just extend the semantics of the existing MPOL_PREFERRED.
> 
> Even if there was such an legacy application any legacy behavior changes
> are likely not fatal, because preferred is only a hint anyways. Anybody
> who really requires the right nodes would use _BIND.
> 
> -Andi
> 

It does break ABI in a sense as the existing MPOL_PREFERRED does in fact specify
it should fail if more than one node is specified. A decent compromise might be
to add a new flag to be used with MPOL_PREFERRED,  hinting you want like a v2
version of the interface.

Honestly, I don't care either way. I inherited it from Dave Hansen, and I can
only guess at his motivation.

Perhaps more valuable to consider was #3 alternative in the snipped part of the
cover letter:

> 3. Create flags or new modes that helps with some ordering. This offers both a
>    friendlier API as well as a solution for more customized usage. It's unknown
>    if it's worth the complexity to support this. Here is sample code for how
>    this might work:
> 
> // Default
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_PREFER_MANY | MPOL_F_PREFER_ORDER_SOCKET, NULL, 0);
> // which is the same as
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_DEFAULT, NULL, 0);
>
> // The Hare
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_PREFER_MANY | MPOL_F_PREFER_ORDER_TYPE, NULL, 0);
>
> // The Tortoise
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_PREFER_MANY | MPOL_F_PREFER_ORDER_TYPE_REV, NULL, 0);
>
> // Prefer the fast memory of the first two sockets
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_PREFER_MANY | MPOL_F_PREFER_ORDER_TYPE, -1, 2);
>
> // Prefer specific nodes for some something wacky
> set_mempolicy(MPOL_PREFER_MANY | MPOL_F_PREFER_ORDER_TYPE_CUSTOM, 0x17c, 1024);


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-22 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-19 16:24 Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 01/18] mm/mempolicy: Add comment for missing LOCAL Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24  7:55   ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 02/18] mm/mempolicy: Use node_mem_id() instead of node_id() Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24  8:25   ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 16:48     ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-26 12:30       ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 03/18] mm/page_alloc: start plumbing multi preferred node Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 04/18] mm/page_alloc: add preferred pass to page allocation Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 05/18] mm/mempolicy: convert single preferred_node to full nodemask Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 06/18] mm/mempolicy: Add MPOL_PREFERRED_MANY for multiple preferred nodes Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 07/18] mm/mempolicy: allow preferred code to take a nodemask Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 08/18] mm/mempolicy: refactor rebind code for PREFERRED_MANY Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 09/18] mm: Finish handling MPOL_PREFERRED_MANY Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 10/18] mm: clean up alloc_pages_vma (thp) Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 11/18] mm: Extract THP hugepage allocation Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 12/18] mm/mempolicy: Use __alloc_page_node for interleaved Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 13/18] mm: kill __alloc_pages Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 14/18] mm/mempolicy: Introduce policy_preferred_nodes() Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 15/18] mm: convert callers of __alloc_pages_nodemask to pmask Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 16/18] alloc_pages_nodemask: turn preferred nid into a nodemask Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 17/18] mm: Use less stack for page allocations Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:24 ` [PATCH 18/18] mm/mempolicy: Advertise new MPOL_PREFERRED_MANY Ben Widawsky
2020-06-22  7:09 ` [PATCH 00/18] multiple preferred nodes Michal Hocko
2020-06-23 11:20   ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-23 16:12     ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24  7:52       ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 16:16         ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24 18:39           ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 19:37             ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24 19:51               ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 20:01                 ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24 20:07                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 20:23                     ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-24 20:42                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-24 20:55                         ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-25  6:28                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-26 21:39         ` Ben Widawsky
2020-06-29 10:16           ` Michal Hocko
2020-06-22 20:54 ` Andi Kleen
2020-06-22 21:02   ` Ben Widawsky [this message]
2020-06-22 21:07   ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-22 22:02     ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-06-19 16:23 Ben Widawsky
2020-06-19 16:25 ` Ben Widawsky

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