From: Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/mm: use max memory block size with unaligned memory end
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:24:57 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200604222457.wmyjtrbzbq4m45ng@ca-dmjordan1.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34d7b03c-4f32-05c3-b5ce-521951f518e8@redhat.com>
On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 08:55:19PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> E.g., on powerpc that's 16MB so they have *a lot* of memory blocks.
> >> That's why that's not papering over the problem. Increasing the memory
> >> block size isn't always the answer.
> >
> > Ok. If you don't mind, what's the purpose of hotplugging at that granularity?
> > I'm simply curious.
>
> On bare metal: none with that big machines AFAIKS. :)
Sounds about right :)
> For VMs/partitions it gives you much more flexibility ("cloud", kata
> containers, memory overcommit, ...).
>
> Assume you have a VM with some initial memory size (e.g., 32GB). By
> hotplugging up to 256 DIMMs you cab grow in small steps (e.g., 128MB, up
> to 64GB, 256MB, up to 96GB, ...). And if you online all the memory
> blocks MOVABLE, you can shrink in these small steps.
Yeah, sorry for not being clear, I meant why does powerpc hotplug at "only" 16M.
> Regarding PowerPC, AFAIK it also gives the OS more flexibility to find
> memory blocks that can be offlined and unplugged, especially without the
> MOVABLE zone. Finding some scattered 16MB blocks that can be offlined is
> easier than finding one bigger (e.g., 2GB) memory block that can be
> offlined. And the history of powerpc dlpar dates back to pre-MOVABLE
> days (there is a paper from 2003).
Makes sense, thanks!
> I do think your change mostly affects bare metal where you do not care
> about hotplugging small memory blocks. Maybe an even better check would be
>
> if (!in_vm() {
> bz = MAX_BLOCK_SIZE;
> goto none;
> }
>
> because I doubt we have bare metal machines > 64 where we want to
> hot(un)plug DIMMs < 2G.
Yeah, agreed, not these days.
> But maybe there is a use case I am not aware of
> ... and I don't know an easy way to check whether we are running inside
> a VM or not (like kvm_para_available() ... ).
What about this? Works on bare metal and kvm, so presumably all the other HVs
too.
if (x86_hyper_type == X86_HYPER_NATIVE) {
bz = MAX_BLOCK_SIZE;
goto done;
}
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-04 22:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-04 3:54 Daniel Jordan
2020-06-04 7:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-06-04 17:22 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-06-04 17:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-06-04 18:12 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-06-04 18:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-06-04 22:24 ` Daniel Jordan [this message]
2020-06-04 20:00 ` Dave Hansen
2020-06-04 22:27 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-06-05 7:44 ` David Hildenbrand
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