From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Paul Gofman <gofmanp@gmail.com>,
Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <krisman@collabora.com>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel@collabora.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] seccomp: Implement syscall isolation based on memory areas
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 13:08:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202006011306.2E31FDED@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWr_B-quNckFksTP1W-Ww71uQgCrR-o9QWdQ-Gi8p1r9A@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 02:03:48PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:57 AM Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What if there was a special filter type that ran a BPF program on each
> > syscall, and the program was allowed to access user memory to make its
> > decisions, e.g. to look at some list of memory addresses. But this
> > would explicitly *not* be a security feature -- execve() would remove
> > the filter, and the filter's outcome would be one of redirecting
> > execution or allowing the syscall. If the "allow" outcome occurs,
> > then regular seccomp filters run. Obviously the exact semantics here
> > would need some care.
>
> Let me try to flesh this out a little.
>
> A task could install a syscall emulation filter (maybe using the
> seccomp() syscall, maybe using something else). There would be at
> most one such filter per process. Upon doing a syscall, the kernel
> will first do initial syscall fixups (e.g. SYSENTER/SYSCALL32 magic
> argument translation) and would then invoke the filter. The filter is
> an eBPF program (sorry Kees) and, as input, it gets access to the
FWIW, I agree: something like this needs to use eBPF -- this isn't
being designed as a security boundary. It's more like eBPF ptrace.
> task's register state and to an indication of which type of syscall
> entry this was. This will inherently be rather architecture specific
> -- x86 choices could be int80, int80(translated), and syscall64. (We
> could expose SYSCALL32 separately, I suppose, but SYSENTER is such a
> mess that I'm not sure this would be productive.) The program can
> access user memory, and it returns one of two results: allow the
> syscall or send SIGSYS. If the program tries to access user memory
> and faults, the result is SIGSYS.
>
> (I would love to do this with cBPF, but I'm not sure how to pull this
> off. Accessing user memory is handy for making the lookup flexible
> enough to detect Windows vs Linux. It would be *really* nice to
> finally settle the unprivileged eBPF subset discussion so that we can
> figure out how to make eBPF work here.)
And yes, this is the next road-block: finding a way to safely do
unprivileged eBPF.
--
Kees Cook
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-01 20:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-30 5:59 Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-30 17:30 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-31 5:56 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31 12:39 ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 16:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-31 17:10 ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 17:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-31 18:01 ` Paul Gofman
2020-06-01 17:54 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-01 17:53 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-30 22:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 0:26 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31 0:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 12:56 ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 18:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 18:36 ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 18:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 19:37 ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 21:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-01 18:06 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-01 20:08 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-06-01 23:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-11 19:38 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31 23:33 ` Brendan Shanks
2020-06-01 1:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-25 23:14 ` Robert O'Callahan
2020-06-25 23:48 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-26 1:03 ` Robert O'Callahan
2020-06-05 6:06 ` Sargun Dhillon
2020-06-01 9:23 Billy Laws
2020-06-01 13:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-01 17:48 ` hpa
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