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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Paul Gofman <gofmanp@gmail.com>,
	Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <krisman@collabora.com>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel@collabora.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Zebediah Figura <zfigura@codeweavers.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] seccomp: Implement syscall isolation based on memory areas
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 13:08:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202006011306.2E31FDED@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWr_B-quNckFksTP1W-Ww71uQgCrR-o9QWdQ-Gi8p1r9A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 02:03:48PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:57 AM Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What if there was a special filter type that ran a BPF program on each
> > syscall, and the program was allowed to access user memory to make its
> > decisions, e.g. to look at some list of memory addresses.  But this
> > would explicitly *not* be a security feature -- execve() would remove
> > the filter, and the filter's outcome would be one of redirecting
> > execution or allowing the syscall.  If the "allow" outcome occurs,
> > then regular seccomp filters run.  Obviously the exact semantics here
> > would need some care.
> 
> Let me try to flesh this out a little.
> 
> A task could install a syscall emulation filter (maybe using the
> seccomp() syscall, maybe using something else).  There would be at
> most one such filter per process.  Upon doing a syscall, the kernel
> will first do initial syscall fixups (e.g. SYSENTER/SYSCALL32 magic
> argument translation) and would then invoke the filter.  The filter is
> an eBPF program (sorry Kees) and, as input, it gets access to the

FWIW, I agree: something like this needs to use eBPF -- this isn't
being designed as a security boundary. It's more like eBPF ptrace.

> task's register state and to an indication of which type of syscall
> entry this was.  This will inherently be rather architecture specific
> -- x86 choices could be int80, int80(translated), and syscall64.  (We
> could expose SYSCALL32 separately, I suppose, but SYSENTER is such a
> mess that I'm not sure this would be productive.)  The program can
> access user memory, and it returns one of two results: allow the
> syscall or send SIGSYS.  If the program tries to access user memory
> and faults, the result is SIGSYS.
> 
> (I would love to do this with cBPF, but I'm not sure how to pull this
> off.  Accessing user memory is handy for making the lookup flexible
> enough to detect Windows vs Linux.  It would be *really* nice to
> finally settle the unprivileged eBPF subset discussion so that we can
> figure out how to make eBPF work here.)

And yes, this is the next road-block: finding a way to safely do
unprivileged eBPF.

-- 
Kees Cook


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-01 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-30  5:59 Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-30 17:30 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-31  5:56   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31 12:39     ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 16:49       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-31 17:10         ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 17:31           ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-05-31 18:01             ` Paul Gofman
2020-06-01 17:54               ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-01 17:53         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-30 22:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31  0:26   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31  0:59     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 12:56       ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 18:10         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 18:36           ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 18:57             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-31 19:37               ` Paul Gofman
2020-05-31 21:03               ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-01 18:06                 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-01 20:08                 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2020-06-01 23:18                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-11 19:38                 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-05-31 23:33               ` Brendan Shanks
2020-06-01  1:51                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-25 23:14     ` Robert O'Callahan
2020-06-25 23:48       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2020-06-26  1:03         ` Robert O'Callahan
2020-06-05  6:06 ` Sargun Dhillon
2020-06-01  9:23 Billy Laws
2020-06-01 13:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-06-01 17:48   ` hpa

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