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From: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, RCU <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Oleksiy Avramchenko <oleksiy.avramchenko@sonymobile.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] rcu/tree: add emergency pool for headless case
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 18:32:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200406163216.GA4268@pc636> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200406153110.GE19865@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 02:56:40PM +0200, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> > Hello, Joel.
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Vlad,
> > > > > 
> > > > > One concern I have is this moves the problem a bit further down. My belief is
> > > > > we should avoid the likelihood of even needing an rcu_head allocated for the
> > > > > headless case, to begin with - than trying to do damage-control when it does
> > > > > happen. The only way we would end up needing an rcu_head is if we could not
> > > > > allocate an array.
> > > > > 
> > > > Let me share my view on all such caching. I think that now it becomes less as
> > > > the issue, because of we have now https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/4/2/383 patch.
> > > > I see that it does help a lot. I tried to simulate low memory condition and 
> > > > apply high memory pressure with that. I did not manage to trigger the
> > > > "synchronize rcu" path at all. It is because of using much more permissive
> > > > parameters when we request a memory from the SLAB(direct reclaim, etc...).
> > > 
> > > That's a good sign that we don't hit this path in your tests.
> > > 
> > Just one request, of course if you have a time :) Could you please
> > double check on your test environment to stress the system to check
> > if you also can not hit it?
> > 
> > How i test it. Please apply below patch:
> 
> This is of course a double challenge.
> 
> I can assure you that even if we cannot make it happen in the comfort and
> safety of our tests systems, someone somewhere will make it happen all
> the time.  Because there is a very large number of Linux systems running
> out there.
> 
> Which leads to the other challenge:  How do we test this code path?
> 
I have added extra tests to my "vmalloc tests" https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/4/2/384
for stressing head/headless variants. Also we have rcuperf module. Running them
together under KVM(selftests) would be good. Plus we can add a counter of the
path we think is bad, synchronize_rcu() and so on.

Thanks!

--
Vlad Rezki


      reply	other threads:[~2020-04-06 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-03 17:30 Uladzislau Rezki (Sony)
2020-04-03 18:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-04-04 19:09   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-03 19:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-04 19:10   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-04 19:51 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-05 17:21   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-05 23:30     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-06 12:56       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-06 15:18         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-06 16:17           ` Uladzislau Rezki
2020-04-07  1:47             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-04-06 15:31         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-04-06 16:32           ` Uladzislau Rezki [this message]

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