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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Shile Zhang <shile.zhang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Daniel Jordan <daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: initialize deferred pages with interrupts enabled
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 09:34:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200402073410.GF22681@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bBC-KBRuCBjJminVp+NmYSK3mhRZgmTmcBY5C5a-xVoMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed 01-04-20 16:27:33, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 3:57 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed 01-04-20 15:32:38, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> > > Initializing struct pages is a long task and keeping interrupts disabled
> > > for the duration of this operation introduces a number of problems.
> > >
> > > 1. jiffies are not updated for long period of time, and thus incorrect time
> > >    is reported. See proposed solution and discussion here:
> > >    lkml/20200311123848.118638-1-shile.zhang@linux.alibaba.com
> >
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20200311123848.118638-1-shile.zhang@linux.alibaba.com
> >
> > > 2. It prevents farther improving deferred page initialization by allowing
> > >    inter-node multi-threading.
> > >
> > > We are keeping interrupts disabled to solve a rather theoretical problem
> > > that was never observed in real world (See 3a2d7fa8a3d5).
> > >
> > > Lets keep interrupts enabled. In case we ever encounter a scenario where
> > > an interrupt thread wants to allocate large amount of memory this early in
> > > boot we can deal with that by growing zone (see deferred_grow_zone()) by
> > > the needed amount before starting deferred_init_memmap() threads.
> > >
> > > Before:
> > > [    1.232459] node 0 initialised, 12058412 pages in 1ms
> > >
> > > After:
> > > [    1.632580] node 0 initialised, 12051227 pages in 436ms
> > >
> >
> > Fixes: 3a2d7fa8a3d5 ("mm: disable interrupts while initializing deferred pages")
> > > Signed-off-by: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
> >
> > I would much rather see pgdat_resize_lock completely out of both the
> > allocator and deferred init path altogether but this can be done in a
> > separate patch. This one looks slightly safer for stable backports.
> 
> This is what I wanted to do, but after studying deferred_grow_zone(),
> I do not see a simple way to solve this. It is one thing to fail an
> allocation, and it is another thing to have a corruption because of
> race.

Let's discuss deferred_grow_zone after this all settles down. I still
have to study it because I wasn't aware that this is actually a page
allocator path relying on the resize lock. My recollection was that the
resize lock is only about memory hotplug. Your patches flew by and I
didn't have time to review them back then. So I have to admit I have
seen the resize lock too simple.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-02  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-01 19:32 Pavel Tatashin
2020-04-01 19:57 ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-01 20:27   ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-04-02  7:34     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2020-04-01 19:58 ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-01 20:00 ` Daniel Jordan
2020-04-01 20:08   ` Daniel Jordan
2020-04-01 20:31     ` Pavel Tatashin
2020-04-02  7:36     ` Michal Hocko

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