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Peter Anvin" , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org, Mike Rapoport Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] mm: add MAP_EXCLUSIVE to create exclusive user mappings Message-ID: <20191031191651.GA26165@rapoport-lnx> References: <1572171452-7958-1-git-send-email-rppt@kernel.org> <1572171452-7958-2-git-send-email-rppt@kernel.org> <085ed07e-e646-f7a4-0370-06f33a2a4e4a@redhat.com> <20191030081529.GB20624@rapoport-lnx> <9eae3941-64cf-4ea1-0287-0e64bab192c6@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9eae3941-64cf-4ea1-0287-0e64bab192c6@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 09:19:33AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: > On 30.10.19 09:15, Mike Rapoport wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:02:34PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote: > >>On 27.10.19 11:17, Mike Rapoport wrote: > >>>From: Mike Rapoport > >>> > >>>The mappings created with MAP_EXCLUSIVE are visible only in the context of > >>>the owning process and can be used by applications to store secret > >>>information that will not be visible not only to other processes but to the > >>>kernel as well. > >>> > >>>The pages in these mappings are removed from the kernel direct map and > >>>marked with PG_user_exclusive flag. When the exclusive area is unmapped, > >>>the pages are mapped back into the direct map. > >>> > >> > >>Just a thought, the kernel is still able to indirectly read the contents of > >>these pages by doing a kdump from kexec environment, right? > > > >Right. > > > >>Also, I wonder > >>what would happen if you map such pages via /dev/mem into another user space > >>application and e.g., use them along with kvm [1]. > > > >Do you mean that one application creates MAP_EXCLUSIVE and another > >applications accesses the same physical pages via /dev/mem? > > Exactly. > > > > >With /dev/mem all physical memory is visible... > > Okay, so the statement "information that will not be visible not only to > other processes but to the kernel as well" is not correct. There are easy > ways to access that information if you really want to (might require root > permissions, though). Right, but /dev/mem is an easy way to extract any information in any environment if one has root permissions... > -- > > Thanks, > > David / dhildenb > -- Sincerely yours, Mike.