From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@mellanox.com>
To: "Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig@amd.com>
Cc: "Yang, Philip" <Philip.Yang@amd.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Ralph Campbell <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
"Kuehling, Felix" <Felix.Kuehling@amd.com>,
"amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH hmm 00/15] Consolidate the mmu notifier interval_tree and locking
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:57:51 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191021135744.GA25164@mellanox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7e34d8f-f3b0-b86d-7388-1f791674a4a9@amd.com>
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 02:21:42PM +0000, Koenig, Christian wrote:
> Am 18.10.19 um 22:36 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 04:47:20PM +0000, Koenig, Christian wrote:
> >
> >>> get_user_pages/hmm_range_fault() and invalidate_range_start() both are
> >>> called while holding mm->map_sem, so they are always serialized.
> >> Not even remotely.
> >>
> >> For calling get_user_pages()/hmm_range_fault() you only need to hold the
> >> mmap_sem in read mode.
> > Right
> >
> >> And IIRC invalidate_range_start() is sometimes called without holding
> >> the mmap_sem at all.
> > Yep
> >
> >> So again how are they serialized?
> > The 'driver lock' thing does it, read the hmm documentation, the hmm
> > approach is basically the only approach that was correct of all the
> > drivers..
>
> Well that's what I've did, but what HMM does still doesn't looks correct
> to me.
It has a bug, but the basic flow seems to work.
https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/11191
> > So long as the 'driver lock' is held the range cannot become
> > invalidated as the 'driver lock' prevents progress of invalidation.
>
> Correct, but the problem is it doesn't wait for ongoing operations to
> complete.
>
> See I'm talking about the following case:
>
> Thread A Thread B
> invalidate_range_start()
> mmu_range_read_begin()
> get_user_pages()/hmm_range_fault()
> grab_driver_lock()
> Updating the ptes
> invalidate_range_end()
>
> As far as I can see in invalidate_range_start() the driver lock is taken
> to make sure that we can't start any invalidation while the driver is
> using the pages for a command submission.
Again, this uses the seqlock like scheme *and* the driver lock.
In this case after grab_driver_lock() mmu_range_read_retry() will
return false if Thread A has progressed to 'updating the ptes.
For instance here is how the concurrency resolves for retry:
CPU1 CPU2
seq = mmu_range_read_begin()
invalidate_range_start()
invalidate_seq++
get_user_pages()/hmm_range_fault()
grab_driver_lock()
ungrab_driver_lock()
grab_driver_lock()
seq != invalidate_seq, so retry
Updating the ptes
invalidate_range_end()
invalidate_seq++
And here is how it resolves for blocking:
CPU1 CPU2
seq = mmu_range_read_begin()
invalidate_range_start()
get_user_pages()/hmm_range_fault()
grab_driver_lock()
seq == invalidate_seq, so conitnue
invalidate_seq++
ungrab_driver_lock()
grab_driver_lock()
// Cannot progress to 'Updating the ptes' while the drive_lock is held
ungrab_driver_lock()
Updating the ptes
invalidate_range_end()
invalidate_seq++
For the above I've simplified the mechanics of the invalidate_seq, you
need to look through the patch to see how it actually works.
> Well we don't update the seqlock after the update to the protected data
> structure (the page table) happened, but rather before that.
??? This is what mn_itree_inv_end() does, it is called by
invalidate_range_end
> That doesn't looks like the normal patter for a seqlock to me and as far
> as I can see that is quite a bug in the HMM design/logic.
Well, hmm has a bug because it doesn't use a seqlock pattern, see the
above URL.
One of the motivations for this work is to squash that bug by adding a
seqlock like pattern. But the basic hmm flow and collision-retry
approach seems sound.
Do you see a problem with this patch?
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-21 13:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-15 18:12 Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 01/15] mm/mmu_notifier: define the header pre-processor parts even if disabled Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:32 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 02/15] mm/mmu_notifier: add an interval tree notifier Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:30 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-21 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 19:11 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-21 19:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 19:47 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-27 23:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 03/15] mm/hmm: allow hmm_range to be used with a mmu_range_notifier or hmm_mirror Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 04/15] mm/hmm: define the pre-processor related parts of hmm.h even if disabled Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:31 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 05/15] RDMA/odp: Use mmu_range_notifier_insert() Jason Gunthorpe
2019-11-04 20:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 06/15] RDMA/hfi1: Use mmu_range_notifier_inset for user_exp_rcv Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-29 12:15 ` Dennis Dalessandro
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 07/15] drm/radeon: use mmu_range_notifier_insert Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 08/15] xen/gntdev: Use select for DMA_SHARED_BUFFER Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-16 5:11 ` Jürgen Groß
2019-10-16 6:35 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2019-10-21 19:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-28 6:25 ` [Xen-devel] " Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 09/15] xen/gntdev: use mmu_range_notifier_insert Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 10/15] nouveau: use mmu_notifier directly for invalidate_range_start Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 11/15] nouveau: use mmu_range_notifier instead of hmm_mirror Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 13/15] drm/amdgpu: Use mmu_range_insert " Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 14/15] drm/amdgpu: Use mmu_range_notifier " Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-15 18:12 ` [PATCH hmm 15/15] mm/hmm: remove hmm_mirror and related Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:38 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-21 18:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 19:19 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-16 8:58 ` [PATCH hmm 00/15] Consolidate the mmu notifier interval_tree and locking Christian König
2019-10-16 16:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-17 8:54 ` Christian König
2019-10-17 16:26 ` Yang, Philip
2019-10-17 16:47 ` Koenig, Christian
2019-10-18 20:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-20 14:21 ` Koenig, Christian
2019-10-21 13:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2019-10-21 14:28 ` Koenig, Christian
2019-10-21 15:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 7:57 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-22 15:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-23 9:08 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-10-23 9:32 ` Christian König
2019-10-23 16:52 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-23 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-24 2:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-10-21 15:55 ` Dennis Dalessandro
2019-10-21 16:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 11:56 ` Dennis Dalessandro
2019-10-22 14:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-21 18:40 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-21 19:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-10-23 20:26 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-10-17 16:44 Koenig, Christian
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