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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	"David Rientjes" <rientjes@google.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
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	"Masahiro Yamada" <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	"Wei Wang" <wvw@google.com>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>, "Feng Tang" <feng.tang@intel.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] kernel.h: Add non_block_start/end()
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 10:48:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190823084803.GD2369@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190820202440.GH11147@phenom.ffwll.local>

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:24:40PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:19:01AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > In some special cases we must not block, but there's not a
> > spinlock, preempt-off, irqs-off or similar critical section already
> > that arms the might_sleep() debug checks. Add a non_block_start/end()
> > pair to annotate these.
> > 
> > This will be used in the oom paths of mmu-notifiers, where blocking is
> > not allowed to make sure there's forward progress. Quoting Michal:
> > 
> > "The notifier is called from quite a restricted context - oom_reaper -
> > which shouldn't depend on any locks or sleepable conditionals. The code
> > should be swift as well but we mostly do care about it to make a forward
> > progress. Checking for sleepable context is the best thing we could come
> > up with that would describe these demands at least partially."
> > 
> > Peter also asked whether we want to catch spinlocks on top, but Michal
> > said those are less of a problem because spinlocks can't have an
> > indirect dependency upon the page allocator and hence close the loop
> > with the oom reaper.
> > 
> > Suggested by Michal Hocko.
> > 
> > v2:
> > - Improve commit message (Michal)
> > - Also check in schedule, not just might_sleep (Peter)
> > 
> > v3: It works better when I actually squash in the fixup I had lying
> > around :-/
> > 
> > v4: Pick the suggestion from Andrew Morton to give non_block_start/end
> > some good kerneldoc comments. I added that other blocking calls like
> > wait_event pose similar issues, since that's the other example we
> > discussed.
> > 
> > Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
> > Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
> > Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
> > Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> > Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> > Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> > Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
> > Cc: "Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>
> > Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
> > Cc: Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>
> > Cc: Wei Wang <wvw@google.com>
> > Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
> > Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
> > Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
> > Cc: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
> > Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> > Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > Acked-by: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com> (v1)
> > Signed-off-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Iirc you've been involved at least somewhat in discussing this. -mm folks
> are a bit undecided whether these new non_block semantics are a good idea.
> Michal Hocko still is in support, but Andrew Morton and Jason Gunthorpe
> are less enthusiastic. Jason said he's ok with merging the hmm side of
> this if scheduler folks ack. If not, then I'll respin with the
> preempt_disable/enable instead like in v1.
> 
> So ack/nack for this from the scheduler side?

Right, I had memories of seeing this before, and I just found a fairly
long discussion on this elsewhere in the vacation inbox (*groan*).

Yeah, this is something I can live with,

Acked-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-08-23  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-20  8:18 [PATCH 0/4] mmu notifier debug annotations/checks Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20  8:18 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm, notifier: Add a lockdep map for invalidate_range_start/end Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20 13:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-20  8:19 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm, notifier: Prime lockdep Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20 13:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-20  8:19 ` [PATCH 3/4] kernel.h: Add non_block_start/end() Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20 20:24   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-22 23:14     ` Andrew Morton
2019-08-23  8:34       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-23 12:12         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-23 12:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-23 13:42           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-23 14:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-23 15:15               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-23  8:48     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-08-20  8:19 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm, notifier: Catch sleeping/blocking for !blockable Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20 13:34   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-20 15:18     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-20 15:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-21  9:34         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-21 15:41       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-21 16:16         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-22  8:42           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-08-22 14:24             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-08-22 14:27               ` Daniel Vetter

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