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[195.135.220.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t25si2645276ejt.52.2019.04.11.08.24.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning mhocko@kernel.org does not designate 195.135.220.15 as permitted sender) client-ip=195.135.220.15; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning mhocko@kernel.org does not designate 195.135.220.15 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mhocko@kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A4CAD4C; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:24:15 +0200 From: Michal Hocko To: Waiman Long Cc: Tejun Heo , Li Zefan , Johannes Weiner , Jonathan Corbet , Vladimir Davydov , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Kirill Tkhai , Aaron Lu Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm/memcontrol: Finer-grained memory control Message-ID: <20190411152415.GA10383@dhcp22.suse.cz> References: <20190410191321.9527-1-longman@redhat.com> <20190410195443.GL10383@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20190411151911.GZ10383@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190411151911.GZ10383@dhcp22.suse.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Thu 11-04-19 17:19:11, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Thu 11-04-19 10:02:16, Waiman Long wrote: > > On 04/10/2019 03:54 PM, Michal Hocko wrote: > > > On Wed 10-04-19 15:13:19, Waiman Long wrote: > > >> The current control mechanism for memory cgroup v2 lumps all the memory > > >> together irrespective of the type of memory objects. However, there > > >> are cases where users may have more concern about one type of memory > > >> usage than the others. > > >> > > >> We have customer request to limit memory consumption on anonymous memory > > >> only as they said the feature was available in other OSes like Solaris. > > > Please be more specific about a usecase. > > > > From that customer's point of view, page cache is more like common goods > > that can typically be shared by a number of different groups. Depending > > on which groups touch the pages first, it is possible that most of those > > pages can be disproportionately attributed to one group than the others. > > Anonymous memory, on the other hand, are not shared and so can more > > correctly represent the memory footprint of an application. Of course, > > there are certainly cases where an application can have large private > > files that can consume a lot of cache pages. These are probably not the > > case for the applications used by that customer. > > So you are essentially interested in the page cache limiting, right? > This has been proposed several times already and always rejected because > this is not a good idea. OK, so after reading other responses I've realized that I've misunderstood your intention. You are really interested in the anon memory limiting. But my objection still holds! I would like to hear much more specific usecases. Is the page cache such a precious resource it cannot be refaulted? With the storage speed these days I am quite not sure. Also there is always way to delegate page cache pre-faulting to a dedicated cgroup with a low limit protection if _some_ pagecache is really important. -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs