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From: Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rafael Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 10/13] node: Add memory caching attributes
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:23:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190211152303.GA4525@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190210171958.00003ab2@huawei.com>

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 09:19:58AM -0800, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 09:20:53 +0100
> Brice Goglin <Brice.Goglin@inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Keith
> > 
> > Could we ever have a single side cache in front of two NUMA nodes ? I
> > don't see a way to find that out in the current implementation. Would we
> > have an "id" and/or "nodemap" bitmask in the sidecache structure ?
> 
> This is certainly a possible thing for hardware to do.
>
> ACPI IIRC doesn't provide any means of representing that - your best
> option is to represent it as two different entries, one for each of the
> memory nodes.  Interesting question of whether you would then claim
> they were half as big each, or the full size.  Of course, there are
> other possible ways to get this info beyond HMAT, so perhaps the interface
> should allow it to be exposed if available?

HMAT doesn't do this, but I want this interface abstracted enough from
HMAT to express whatever is necessary.

The CPU cache is the closest existing exported attributes to this,
and they provide "shared_cpu_list". To that end, I can export a
"shared_node_list", though previous reviews strongly disliked multi-value
sysfs entries. :(

Would shared-node symlinks capture the need, and more acceptable?
 
> Also, don't know if it's just me, but calling these sidecaches is
> downright confusing.  In ACPI at least they are always
> specifically referred to as Memory Side Caches.
> I'd argue there should even by a hyphen Memory-Side Caches, the point
> being that that they are on the memory side of the interconnected
> rather than the processor side.  Of course an implementation
> choice might be to put them off to the side (as implied by sidecaches)
> in some sense, but it's not the only one.
> 
> </terminology rant> :)

Now that you mention it, I agree "side" is ambiguous.  Maybe call it
"numa_cache" or "node_cache"?


  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-11 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-16 17:57 [PATCHv4 00/13] Heterogeneuos memory node attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 01/13] acpi: Create subtable parsing infrastructure Keith Busch
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 02/13] acpi: Add HMAT to generic parsing tables Keith Busch
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 03/13] acpi/hmat: Parse and report heterogeneous memory Keith Busch
2019-01-17 11:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 11:00     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 04/13] node: Link memory nodes to their compute nodes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 11:26   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 11:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 05/13] Documentation/ABI: Add new node sysfs attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 11:41   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 11:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-18 20:42     ` Keith Busch
2019-01-18 21:08     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-18 21:08       ` Dan Williams
2019-01-19  9:01       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-19 16:56         ` Dan Williams
2019-01-19 16:56           ` Dan Williams
2019-01-20 16:19           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-20 16:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-20 17:34             ` Dan Williams
2019-01-20 17:34               ` Dan Williams
2019-01-21  9:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-21  9:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-20 16:16         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-20 16:16           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 16:36           ` Keith Busch
2019-01-22 16:51             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 16:51               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 16:54               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 16:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-18 11:21   ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-18 11:21     ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-18 16:35     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-18 16:35       ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 06/13] acpi/hmat: Register processor domain to its memory Keith Busch
2019-01-17 12:11   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 12:11     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 17:01     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-17 17:01       ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 07/13] node: Add heterogenous memory access attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 15:03   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 15:03     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 15:41     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-01-16 17:57 ` [PATCHv4 08/13] Documentation/ABI: Add node performance attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 15:09   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 15:09     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:58 ` [PATCHv4 09/13] acpi/hmat: Register " Keith Busch
2019-01-17 15:21   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:58 ` [PATCHv4 10/13] node: Add memory caching attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 16:00   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 16:00     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-02-09  8:20   ` Brice Goglin
2019-02-10 17:19     ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-02-11 15:23       ` Keith Busch [this message]
2019-02-12  8:11         ` Brice Goglin
2019-02-12  8:49         ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-02-12 17:31           ` Keith Busch
2019-01-16 17:58 ` [PATCHv4 11/13] Documentation/ABI: Add node cache attributes Keith Busch
2019-01-17 16:25   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 16:25     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:58 ` [PATCHv4 12/13] acpi/hmat: Register memory side " Keith Busch
2019-01-17 17:42   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-17 17:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-16 17:58 ` [PATCHv4 13/13] doc/mm: New documentation for memory performance Keith Busch
2019-01-17 12:58 ` [PATCHv4 00/13] Heterogeneuos memory node attributes Balbir Singh
2019-01-17 15:44   ` Keith Busch
2019-01-18 13:16     ` Balbir Singh
2019-01-17 18:18 ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-17 18:18   ` Jonathan Cameron
2019-01-17 19:47   ` Keith Busch
2019-01-18 11:12     ` Jonathan Cameron

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