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From: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	osalvador@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm, hotplug: move init_currently_empty_zone() under zone_span_lock protection
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:23:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181127002359.tmw75tozh2rntel4@master> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <424dd9eb-7295-5cf4-98b2-7a1bfd53b32e@redhat.com>

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:24:26AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>On 26.11.18 02:44, Wei Yang wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 09:46:52AM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>> On 23.11.18 09:42, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>>> On Thu 22-11-18 16:26:40, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>> On 22.11.18 11:12, Wei Yang wrote:
>>>>>> During online_pages phase, pgdat->nr_zones will be updated in case this
>>>>>> zone is empty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Currently the online_pages phase is protected by the global lock
>>>>>> mem_hotplug_begin(), which ensures there is no contention during the
>>>>>> update of nr_zones. But this global lock introduces scalability issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This patch is a preparation for removing the global lock during
>>>>>> online_pages phase. Also this patch changes the documentation of
>>>>>> node_size_lock to include the protectioin of nr_zones.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked into locking recently, and there is more to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read:
>>>>>
>>>>> commit dee6da22efac451d361f5224a60be2796d847b51
>>>>> Author: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
>>>>> Date:   Tue Oct 30 15:10:44 2018 -0700
>>>>>
>>>>>     memory-hotplug.rst: add some details about locking internals
>>>>>     
>>>>>     Let's document the magic a bit, especially why device_hotplug_lock is
>>>>>     required when adding/removing memory and how it all play together with
>>>>>     requests to online/offline memory from user space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Short summary: Onlining/offlining of memory requires the device_hotplug_lock
>>>>> as of now.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I would tend to disagree here. You might be describing the current
>>>> state of art but the device_hotplug_lock doesn't make much sense for the
>>>> memory hotplug in principle. There is absolutely nothing in the core MM
>>>
>>> There are collisions with CPU hotplug that require this lock (when nodes
>>> come and go as far as I remember). And there is the problematic lock
>>> inversion that can happen when adding/remving memory. This all has to be
>>> sorted out, we'll have to see if we really need it for
>>> onlining/offlining, though, however ...
>>>
>> 
>> Seems I get a little understanding on this part.
>> 
>> There are two hotplug:
>>    * CPU hotplug 
>>    * Memory hotplug.
>> 
>> There are two phase for Memory hotplug:
>>    * physical add/remove 
>>    * logical online/offline
>> 
>> All of them are protected by device_hotplug_lock now, so we need to be
>> careful to release this in any case. Is my understanding correct?
>
>Yes, e.g. the acpi driver always held the device_hotplug_lock (due to
>possible problems with concurrent cpu/memory hot(un)plug). Onlining
>offlining of devices (including cpu/memory) from user space always held
>the device_hotplug_lock. So this part was executed sequentially for a
>long time.
>
>I recently made sure that any adding/removing/onlining/offlining
>correctly grabs the device_hotplug_lock AND the mem_hotplug_lock in any
>case (because it was inconsistent and broken), so it is all executed
>sequentially.
>
>So when getting rid of mem_hotplug_lock we only have to care about all
>users that don't take the device_hotplug_lock.
>

Thanks for your sharing.

So there are two global locks to protect the hotplug procedure.

  * device_hotplug_lock
  * mem_hotplug_lock

Seems even removing mem_hotplug_lock doesn't help much on scalability?

Maybe we need to move one by one.

-- 
Wei Yang
Help you, Help me

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-27  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-20  1:48 [PATCH] mm, hotplug: protect nr_zones with pgdat_resize_lock() Wei Yang
2018-11-20  7:31 ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-20  7:58   ` osalvador
2018-11-20  8:48     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-21  2:52     ` Wei Yang
2018-11-21  7:15       ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-22  1:52         ` Wei Yang
2018-11-22  8:39           ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-26  2:28         ` Wei Yang
2018-11-26  8:16           ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-26  9:06             ` Wei Yang
2018-11-26 10:03               ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27  0:18                 ` Wei Yang
2018-11-27  3:12             ` Wei Yang
2018-11-27 13:16               ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-27 23:56                 ` Wei Yang
2018-11-21  8:24       ` osalvador
2018-11-21  2:44   ` Wei Yang
2018-11-21  7:14     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-22 10:12 ` [PATCH v2] mm, hotplug: move init_currently_empty_zone() under zone_span_lock protection Wei Yang
2018-11-22 10:15   ` Wei Yang
2018-11-22 10:29     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-22 14:27       ` Wei Yang
2018-11-22 10:37   ` osalvador
2018-11-22 14:28     ` Wei Yang
2018-11-22 15:26   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-22 21:28     ` Wei Yang
2018-11-22 21:53       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-22 23:53         ` Wei Yang
2018-11-23  8:42     ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-23  8:46       ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-26  1:44         ` Wei Yang
2018-11-26  9:24           ` David Hildenbrand
2018-11-27  0:23             ` Wei Yang [this message]
2018-11-30  6:58   ` [PATCH v3] " Wei Yang
2018-11-30  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-01  0:27       ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 10:09         ` David Hildenbrand
2018-12-03 20:37           ` Wei Yang
2018-12-03 20:50     ` [PATCH v4] " Wei Yang

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