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From: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Timofey Titovets <timofey.titovets@synesis.ru>
Cc: oleksandr@natalenko.name, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] KSM: allow dedup all tasks memory
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:35:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181113183510.5y2hzruoi23e7o2t@soleen.tm1wkky2jk1uhgkn0ivaxijq1c.bx.internal.cloudapp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGqmi74gpvJv8=B-3pVSMrDssu-aYMxW9xM7mt1WNQjGLjMZqA@mail.gmail.com>

On 18-11-13 21:17:42, Timofey Titovets wrote:
> D2N?, 13 D 1/2 D 3/4 N?D+-. 2018 D3. D2 20:59, Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>:
> >
> > On 18-11-13 15:23:50, Oleksandr Natalenko wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > > Yep. However, so far, it requires an application to explicitly opt in
> > > > to this behavior, so it's not all that bad. Your patch would remove
> > > > the requirement for application opt-in, which, in my opinion, makes
> > > > this way worse and reduces the number of applications for which this
> > > > is acceptable.
> > >
> > > The default is to maintain the old behaviour, so unless the explicit
> > > decision is made by the administrator, no extra risk is imposed.
> >
> > The new interface would be more tolerable if it honored MADV_UNMERGEABLE:
> >
> > KSM default on: merge everything except when MADV_UNMERGEABLE is
> > excplicitly set.
> >
> > KSM default off: merge only when MADV_MERGEABLE is set.
> >
> > The proposed change won't honor MADV_UNMERGEABLE, meaning that
> > application programmers won't have a way to prevent sensitive data to be
> > every merged. So, I think, we should keep allow an explicit opt-out
> > option for applications.
> >
> 
> We just did not have VM/Madvise flag for that currently.
> Same as THP.
> Because all logic written with assumption, what we have exactly 2 states.
> Allow/Disallow (More like not allow).
> 
> And if we try to add, that must be something like:
> MADV_FORBID_* to disallow something completely.

No need to add new user flag MADV_FORBID, we should keep MADV_MERGEABLE
and MADV_UNMERGEABLE, but make them work so when MADV_UNMERGEABLE is
set, memory is indeed becomes always unmergeable regardless of ksm mode
of operation.

To do the above in ksm_madvise(), a new state should be added, for example
instead of: 

case MADV_UNMERGEABLE:
	*vm_flags &= ~VM_MERGEABLE;

A new flag should be used:
	*vm_flags |= VM_UNMERGEABLE;

I think, without honoring MADV_UNMERGEABLE correctly, this patch won't
be accepted.

Pasha

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-13 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<CAG48ez0ZprqUYGZFxcrY6U3Dnwt77q1NJXzzpsn1XNkRuXVppw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-13 14:23 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:59   ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 18:17     ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 18:35       ` Pavel Tatashin [this message]
2018-11-13 18:54         ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 19:16           ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 22:40             ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 22:53               ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 23:07                 ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 20:26     ` Jann Horn
2018-11-13 22:35       ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 18:20 Timofey Titovets
     [not found] <<20181112231344.7161-1-timofey.titovets@synesis.ru>
2018-11-13 11:06 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 11:56   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 16:33 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:10   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 17:27     ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:44       ` Timofey Titovets
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-11-12 23:13 Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13  1:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-13 11:25   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13  2:25 ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 11:40   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 18:42     ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 22:55       ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 11:57 ` Jann Horn
2018-11-13 12:58   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 13:25     ` Jann Horn

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