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From: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
To: Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>
Cc: jannh@google.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	timofey.titovets@synesis.ru, willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3] KSM: allow dedup all tasks memory
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 17:59:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181113175930.3g65rlhbaimstq7g@soleen.tm1wkky2jk1uhgkn0ivaxijq1c.bx.internal.cloudapp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d43da6ad1a3c164aa03e0f22f065591a@natalenko.name>

On 18-11-13 15:23:50, Oleksandr Natalenko wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> > Yep. However, so far, it requires an application to explicitly opt in
> > to this behavior, so it's not all that bad. Your patch would remove
> > the requirement for application opt-in, which, in my opinion, makes
> > this way worse and reduces the number of applications for which this
> > is acceptable.
> 
> The default is to maintain the old behaviour, so unless the explicit
> decision is made by the administrator, no extra risk is imposed.

The new interface would be more tolerable if it honored MADV_UNMERGEABLE:

KSM default on: merge everything except when MADV_UNMERGEABLE is
excplicitly set.

KSM default off: merge only when MADV_MERGEABLE is set.

The proposed change won't honor MADV_UNMERGEABLE, meaning that
application programmers won't have a way to prevent sensitive data to be
every merged. So, I think, we should keep allow an explicit opt-out
option for applications.

> 
> > As far as I know, basically nobody is using KSM at this point. There
> > are blog posts from several cloud providers about these security risks
> > that explicitly state that they're not using memory deduplication.
> 
> I tend to disagree here. Based on both what my company does and what UKSM
> users do, memory dedup is a desired option (note "option" word here, not the
> default choice).

Lightweight containers is a use case for KSM: when many VMs share the
same small kernel. KSM is used in production by large cloud vendors.

Thank you,
Pasha

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-13 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<CAG48ez0ZprqUYGZFxcrY6U3Dnwt77q1NJXzzpsn1XNkRuXVppw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-13 14:23 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:59   ` Pavel Tatashin [this message]
2018-11-13 18:17     ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 18:35       ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 18:54         ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 19:16           ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 22:40             ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 22:53               ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 23:07                 ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 20:26     ` Jann Horn
2018-11-13 22:35       ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 18:20 Timofey Titovets
     [not found] <<20181112231344.7161-1-timofey.titovets@synesis.ru>
2018-11-13 11:06 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 11:56   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 16:33 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:10   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 17:27     ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-11-13 17:44       ` Timofey Titovets
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-11-12 23:13 Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13  1:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-13 11:25   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13  2:25 ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 11:40   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 18:42     ` Pavel Tatashin
2018-11-13 22:55       ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 11:57 ` Jann Horn
2018-11-13 12:58   ` Timofey Titovets
2018-11-13 13:25     ` Jann Horn

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