From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com, guro@fb.com,
kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
rientjes@google.com, yang.s@alibaba-inc.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] memcg, oom: throttle dump_header for memcg ooms without eligible tasks
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:24:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181015112427.GI18839@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ea637f9a-5dd0-f927-d26d-d0b4fd8ccb6f@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>
On Mon 15-10-18 19:57:35, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2018/10/15 17:19, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > As so many dozens of times before, I will point you to an incremental
> > nature of changes we really prefer in the mm land. We are also after a
> > simplicity which your proposal lacks in many aspects. You seem to ignore
> > that general approach and I have hard time to consider your NAK as a
> > relevant feedback. Going to an extreme and basing a complex solution on
> > it is not going to fly. No killable process should be a rare event which
> > requires a seriously misconfigured memcg to happen so wildly. If you can
> > trigger it with a normal user privileges then it would be a clear bug to
> > address rather than work around with printk throttling.
> >
>
> I can trigger 200+ times / 900+ lines / 69KB+ of needless OOM messages
> with a normal user privileges. This is a lot of needless noise/delay.
I am pretty sure you have understood the part of my message you have
chosen to not quote where I have said that the specific rate limitting
decisions can be changed based on reasonable configurations. There is
absolutely zero reason to NAK a natural decision to unify the throttling
and cook a per-memcg way for a very specific path instead.
> No killable process is not a rare event, even without root privileges.
>
> [root@ccsecurity kumaneko]# time ./a.out
> Killed
>
> real 0m2.396s
> user 0m0.000s
> sys 0m2.970s
> [root@ccsecurity ~]# dmesg | grep 'no killable' | wc -l
> 202
> [root@ccsecurity ~]# dmesg | wc
> 942 7335 70716
OK, so this is 70kB worth of data pushed throug the console. Is this
really killing any machine?
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-15 11:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-10 0:08 INFO: rcu detected stall in shmem_fault syzbot
2018-10-10 0:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-10 4:11 ` David Rientjes
2018-10-10 7:55 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-10-10 9:13 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 9:33 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-10-10 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 8:59 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 10:43 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-10 11:35 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 11:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-10 12:25 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-10 12:29 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-10-10 12:36 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-10-10 13:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-10 13:17 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-10-11 1:17 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-10 15:17 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2018-10-10 14:19 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-10 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH] memcg, oom: throttle dump_header for memcg ooms without eligible tasks Michal Hocko
2018-10-11 6:37 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-12 10:47 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-12 11:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2018-10-12 12:08 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-12 12:10 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-12 12:41 ` Johannes Weiner
2018-10-12 12:58 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-13 11:09 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-13 11:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2018-10-13 11:28 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-15 8:19 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-15 10:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-15 11:24 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-10-15 12:47 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-15 13:35 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-16 0:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-16 9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2018-10-16 11:05 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-10-16 11:17 ` Michal Hocko
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