From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf0-f197.google.com (mail-pf0-f197.google.com [209.85.192.197]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D7D6B000A for ; Mon, 7 May 2018 23:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf0-f197.google.com with SMTP id n78so23778830pfj.4 for ; Mon, 07 May 2018 20:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org. [2607:7c80:54:e::133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5-v6si1355038pgv.244.2018.05.07.20.10.10 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 07 May 2018 20:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 20:09:59 -0700 From: Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [External] Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] use mm to manage NVDIMM (pmem) zone Message-ID: <20180508030959.GB16338@bombadil.infradead.org> References: <1525704627-30114-1-git-send-email-yehs1@lenovo.com> <20180507184622.GB12361@bombadil.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: To: Huaisheng HS1 Ye Cc: Jeff Moyer , Dan Williams , Michal Hocko , linux-nvdimm , Tetsuo Handa , NingTing Cheng , Dave Hansen , Linux Kernel Mailing List , "pasha.tatashin@oracle.com" , Linux MM , "colyli@suse.de" , Johannes Weiner , Andrew Morton , Sasha Levin , Mel Gorman , Vlastimil Babka On Tue, May 08, 2018 at 02:59:40AM +0000, Huaisheng HS1 Ye wrote: > Currently in our mind, an ideal use scenario is that, we put all page caches to > zone_nvm, without any doubt, page cache is an efficient and common cache > implement, but it has a disadvantage that all dirty data within it would has risk > to be missed by power failure or system crash. If we put all page caches to NVDIMMs, > all dirty data will be safe. That's a common misconception. Some dirty data will still be in the CPU caches. Are you planning on building servers which have enough capacitance to allow the CPU to flush all dirty data from LLC to NV-DIMM? Then there's the problem of reconnecting the page cache (which is pointed to by ephemeral data structures like inodes and dentries) to the new inodes. And then you have to convince customers that what you're doing is safe enough for them to trust it ;-)