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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: slab: introduce the flag SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 11:10:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180413151019.GA5660@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20c58a03-90a8-7e75-5fc7-856facfb6c8a@suse.cz>

On Fri, Apr 13 2018 at  5:22am -0400,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:

> On 03/21/2018 07:36 PM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> >>
> >>>> You should not be using the slab allocators for these. Allocate higher
> >>>> order pages or numbers of consecutive smaller pagess from the page
> >>>> allocator. The slab allocators are written for objects smaller than page
> >>>> size.
> >>>
> >>> So, do you argue that I need to write my own slab cache functionality
> >>> instead of using the existing slab code?
> >>
> >> Just use the existing page allocator calls to allocate and free the
> >> memory you need.
> >>
> >>> I can do it - but duplicating code is bad thing.
> >>
> >> There is no need to duplicate anything. There is lots of infrastructure
> >> already in the kernel. You just need to use the right allocation / freeing
> >> calls.
> > 
> > So, what would you recommend for allocating 640KB objects while minimizing 
> > wasted space?
> > * alloc_pages - rounds up to the next power of two
> > * kmalloc - rounds up to the next power of two
> > * alloc_pages_exact - O(n*log n) complexity; and causes memory 
> >   fragmentation if used excesivelly
> > * vmalloc - horrible performance (modifies page tables and that causes 
> >   synchronization across all CPUs)
> > 
> > anything else?
> > 
> > The slab cache with large order seems as a best choice for this.
> 
> Sorry for being late, I just read this thread and tend to agree with
> Mikulas, that this is a good use case for SL*B. If we extend the
> use-case from "space-efficient allocator of objects smaller than page
> size" to "space-efficient allocator of objects that are not power-of-two
> pages" then IMHO it turns out the implementation would be almost the
> same. All other variants listed above would lead to waste of memory or
> fragmentation.
> 
> Would this perhaps be a good LSF/MM discussion topic? Mikulas, are you
> attending, or anyone else that can vouch for your usecase?

Any further discussion on SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE should continue on list.

Mikulas won't be at LSF/MM.  But I included Mikulas' dm-bufio changes
that no longer depend on this proposed SLAB_MINIMIZE_WASTE (as part of
the 4.17 merge window).

Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-13 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-20 17:25 [PATCH] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 17:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-20 17:54   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 19:22     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-20 20:42       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-20 22:02         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 15:35           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 16:25             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 17:10               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 17:30               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:39                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 17:49                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:01                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:23                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:40                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:55                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 18:58                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:25                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:36                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 18:57                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 19:19                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-21 20:09                       ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-21 20:37                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:10                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-03-23 15:31                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-03-23 15:48                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-13  9:22                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-13 15:10                     ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2018-04-16 12:38                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 14:27                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:37                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 14:46                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-04-16 14:57                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:18                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 15:25                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 15:45                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:36                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-16 19:53                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:01                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:40                                             ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 18:53                                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 21:42                                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:49                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 14:47                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:32                               ` [PATCH RESEND] " Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 14:45                                 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 16:16                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 16:38                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-17 19:09                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 17:26                                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-17 19:13                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-17 19:06                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-18 14:55                                     ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-25 21:04                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-25 23:24                                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 19:01                                           ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-26 21:09                                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-27 16:41                                               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-27 19:19                                                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 17:01                                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-06-13 18:16                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-13 18:53                                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-04-26 18:51                                         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-04-16 19:38                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-04-16 21:04                         ` Mikulas Patocka

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