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From: Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>
To: Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/10] mm: Assign id to every memcg-aware shrinker
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:02:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180328110251.5wl3kwjhcuizyz6n@esperanza> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <635e8bdf-9280-c872-49c3-d3e293e1b332@virtuozzo.com>

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 01:30:20PM +0300, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
> On 27.03.2018 18:48, Vladimir Davydov wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 06:09:20PM +0300, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
> >>>>>> diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> >>>>>> index 8fcd9f8d7390..91b5120b924f 100644
> >>>>>> --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> >>>>>> +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> >>>>>> @@ -159,6 +159,56 @@ unsigned long vm_total_pages;
> >>>>>>  static LIST_HEAD(shrinker_list);
> >>>>>>  static DECLARE_RWSEM(shrinker_rwsem);
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>> +#if defined(CONFIG_MEMCG) && !defined(CONFIG_SLOB)
> >>>>>> +static DEFINE_IDA(bitmap_id_ida);
> >>>>>> +static DECLARE_RWSEM(bitmap_rwsem);
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can't we reuse shrinker_rwsem for protecting the ida?
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it won't be better, since we allocate memory under this semaphore.
> >>>> After we use shrinker_rwsem, we'll have to allocate the memory with GFP_ATOMIC,
> >>>> which does not seems good. Currently, the patchset makes shrinker_rwsem be taken
> >>>> for a small time, just to assign already allocated memory to maps.
> >>>
> >>> AFAIR it's OK to sleep under an rwsem so GFP_ATOMIC wouldn't be
> >>> necessary. Anyway, we only need to allocate memory when we extend
> >>> shrinker bitmaps, which is rare. In fact, there can only be a limited
> >>> number of such calls, as we never shrink these bitmaps (which is fine
> >>> by me).
> >>
> >> We take bitmap_rwsem for writing to expand shrinkers maps. If we replace
> >> it with shrinker_rwsem and the memory allocation get into reclaim, there
> >> will be deadlock.
> > 
> > Hmm, AFAICS we use down_read_trylock() in shrink_slab() so no deadlock
> > would be possible. We wouldn't be able to reclaim slabs though, that's
> > true, but I don't think it would be a problem for small allocations.
> > 
> > That's how I see this. We use shrinker_rwsem to protect IDR mapping
> > shrink_id => shrinker (I still insist on IDR). It may allocate, but the
> > allocation size is going to be fairly small so it's OK that we don't
> > call shrinkers there. After we allocated a shrinker ID, we release
> > shrinker_rwsem and call mem_cgroup_grow_shrinker_map (or whatever it
> > will be called), which checks if per-memcg shrinker bitmaps need growing
> > and if they do it takes its own mutex used exclusively for protecting
> > the bitmaps and reallocates the bitmaps (we will need the mutex anyway
> > to synchronize css_online vs shrinker bitmap reallocation as the
> > shrinker_rwsem is private to vmscan.c and we don't want to export it
> > to memcontrol.c).
> 
> But what the profit of prohibiting reclaim during shrinker id allocation?
> In case of this is a IDR, it still may require 1 page, and still may get
> in after fast reclaim. If we prohibit reclaim, we'll fail to register
> the shrinker.
> 
> It's not a rare situation, when all the memory is occupied by page cache.

shrinker_rwsem doesn't block page cache reclaim, only dcache reclaim.
I don't think that dcache can occupy all available memory.

> So, we will fail to mount something in some situation.
> 
> What the advantages do we have to be more significant, than this disadvantage?

The main advantage is code simplicity.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-28 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-21 13:21 [PATCH 00/10] Improve shrink_slab() scalability (old complexity was O(n^2), new is O(n)) Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:21 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: Assign id to every memcg-aware shrinker Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 18:40   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:09     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-26 15:14       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-26 15:38         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-27  9:15       ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-27 15:09         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-27 15:48           ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-28 10:30             ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-28 11:02               ` Vladimir Davydov [this message]
2018-03-21 13:21 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: Maintain memcg-aware shrinkers in mcg_shrinkers array Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 18:45   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:20     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-26 15:34       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-27  9:18       ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-27 15:30         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:21 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: Assign memcg-aware shrinkers bitmap to memcg Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 14:56   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 15:12     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 15:26       ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 15:43         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 16:20           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-21 16:42             ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 17:54               ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-03-22 16:39                 ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-23  9:06   ` kbuild test robot
2018-03-23 11:26     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 19:25   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:29     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-27 10:00       ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-27 15:17         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:21 ` [PATCH 04/10] fs: Propagate shrinker::id to list_lru Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 18:50   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:29     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:22 ` [PATCH 05/10] list_lru: Add memcg argument to list_lru_from_kmem() Kirill Tkhai
2018-04-02  3:17   ` [lkp-robot] [list_lru] 42658d54ce: BUG:unable_to_handle_kernel kernel test robot
2018-04-02  8:51     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:22 ` [PATCH 06/10] list_lru: Pass dst_memcg argument to memcg_drain_list_lru_node() Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 19:32   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:30     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-28 14:49       ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:22 ` [PATCH 07/10] list_lru: Pass lru " Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:22 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: Set bit in memcg shrinker bitmap on first list_lru item apearance Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 19:45   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:31     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:22 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: Iterate only over charged shrinkers during memcg shrink_slab() Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 20:11   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:33     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:23 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: Clear shrinker bit if there are no objects related to memcg Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-24 20:33   ` Vladimir Davydov
2018-03-26 15:37     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-03-21 13:23 ` [PATCH 00/10] Improve shrink_slab() scalability (old complexity was O(n^2), new is O(n)) Kirill Tkhai

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