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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	rientjes@google.com, mjaggi@caviumnetworks.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	oleg@redhat.com, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, vbabka@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm,oom: Try last second allocation after selecting an OOM victim.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:41:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171025124147.bvd4huwtykf6icmb@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201710252115.JII86453.tFFSLHQOOOVMJF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Wed 25-10-17 21:15:24, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 25-10-17 19:48:09, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > > Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > The OOM killer is the last hand break. At the time you hit the OOM
> > > > condition your system is usually hard to use anyway. And that is why I
> > > > do care to make this path deadlock free. I have mentioned multiple times
> > > > that I find real life triggers much more important than artificial DoS
> > > > like workloads which make your system unsuable long before you hit OOM
> > > > killer.
> > > 
> > > Unable to invoke the OOM killer (i.e. OOM lockup) is worse than hand break injury.
> > > 
> > > If you do care to make this path deadlock free, you had better stop depending on
> > > mutex_trylock(&oom_lock). Not only printk() from oom_kill_process() can trigger
> > > deadlock due to console_sem versus oom_lock dependency but also
> > 
> > And this means that we have to fix printk. Completely silent oom path is
> > out of question IMHO
> 
> We cannot fix printk() without giving enough CPU resource to printk().

This is a separate discussion but having a basically unbound time spent
in printk is simply a no-go.
 
> I don't think "Completely silent oom path" can happen, for warn_alloc() is called
> again when it is retried. But anyway, let's remove warn_alloc().

I mean something else. We simply cannot do the oom killing without
telling userspace about that. And printk is the only API we can use for
that.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-25 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1503577106-9196-1-git-send-email-penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2017-08-24 12:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-24 13:18   ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-24 14:40     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-25  8:00       ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-09  0:55         ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]           ` <201710172204.AGG30740.tVHJFFOQLMSFOO@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2017-10-20 12:40             ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-20 14:18               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-23 11:30                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 11:24                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-24 11:41                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 10:48                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 11:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 12:15                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 12:41                             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-10-25 14:58                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 15:05                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 15:34                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-24 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,page_alloc: Don't call __node_reclaim() with oom_lock held Michal Hocko
2017-08-25 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2017-08-26  1:28   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-27  4:17     ` Tetsuo Handa

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