From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
rientjes@google.com, mjaggi@caviumnetworks.com, mgorman@suse.de,
oleg@redhat.com, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com, vbabka@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm,oom: Try last second allocation after selecting an OOM victim.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:41:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171025124147.bvd4huwtykf6icmb@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201710252115.JII86453.tFFSLHQOOOVMJF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
On Wed 25-10-17 21:15:24, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 25-10-17 19:48:09, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > > Michal Hocko wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > The OOM killer is the last hand break. At the time you hit the OOM
> > > > condition your system is usually hard to use anyway. And that is why I
> > > > do care to make this path deadlock free. I have mentioned multiple times
> > > > that I find real life triggers much more important than artificial DoS
> > > > like workloads which make your system unsuable long before you hit OOM
> > > > killer.
> > >
> > > Unable to invoke the OOM killer (i.e. OOM lockup) is worse than hand break injury.
> > >
> > > If you do care to make this path deadlock free, you had better stop depending on
> > > mutex_trylock(&oom_lock). Not only printk() from oom_kill_process() can trigger
> > > deadlock due to console_sem versus oom_lock dependency but also
> >
> > And this means that we have to fix printk. Completely silent oom path is
> > out of question IMHO
>
> We cannot fix printk() without giving enough CPU resource to printk().
This is a separate discussion but having a basically unbound time spent
in printk is simply a no-go.
> I don't think "Completely silent oom path" can happen, for warn_alloc() is called
> again when it is retried. But anyway, let's remove warn_alloc().
I mean something else. We simply cannot do the oom killing without
telling userspace about that. And printk is the only API we can use for
that.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
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Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1503577106-9196-1-git-send-email-penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2017-08-24 12:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-24 13:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-24 14:40 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-25 8:00 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-09 0:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
[not found] ` <201710172204.AGG30740.tVHJFFOQLMSFOO@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
2017-10-20 12:40 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-20 14:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-23 11:30 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-24 11:24 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-24 11:41 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 10:48 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 11:09 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 12:15 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 12:41 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-10-25 14:58 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-10-25 15:05 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-25 15:34 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-24 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,page_alloc: Don't call __node_reclaim() with oom_lock held Michal Hocko
2017-08-25 20:47 ` Andrew Morton
2017-08-26 1:28 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-08-27 4:17 ` Tetsuo Handa
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