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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@Oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com, mike.kravetz@Oracle.com,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	punit.agrawal@arm.com, arnd@arndb.de, gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com,
	aarcange@redhat.com, oleg@redhat.com,
	penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp, mingo@kernel.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, vdavydov.dev@gmail.com,
	willy@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/1] mm/hugetlb mm/oom_kill:  Add support for reclaiming hugepages on OOM events.
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:44:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170728124443.GO2274@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170728122350.GM2274@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Fri 28-07-17 14:23:50, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Fri 28-07-17 14:33:47, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 08:46:02AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Thu 27-07-17 14:02:36, Liam R. Howlett wrote:
> > > > When a system runs out of memory it may be desirable to reclaim
> > > > unreserved hugepages.  This situation arises when a correctly configured
> > > > system has a memory failure and takes corrective action of rebooting and
> > > > removing the memory from the memory pool results in a system failing to
> > > > boot.  With this change, the out of memory handler is able to reclaim
> > > > any pages that are free and not reserved.
> > > 
> > > I am sorry but I have to Nack this. You are breaking the basic contract
> > > of hugetlb user API. Administrator configures the pool to suit a
> > > workload. It is a deliberate and privileged action. We allow to
> > > overcommit that pool should there be a immediate need for more hugetlb
> > > pages and we do remove those when they are freed. If we don't then this
> > > should be fixed.
> > > Other than that hugetlb pages are not reclaimable by design and users
> > > do rely on that. Otherwise they could consider using THP instead.
> > > 
> > > If somebody configures the initial pool too high it is a configuration
> > > bug. Just think about it, we do not want to reset lowmem reserves
> > > configured by admin just because we are hitting the oom killer and yes
> > > insanely large lowmem reserves might lead to early OOM as well.
> > > 
> > > Nacked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > 
> > Hm. I'm not sure it's fully justified. To me, reclaiming hugetlb is
> > something to be considered as last resort after all other measures have
> > been tried.
> 
> System can recover from the OOM killer in most cases and there is no
> real reason to break contracts which administrator established. On the
> other hand you cannot assume correct operation of the SW which depends
> on hugetlb pages in general. Such a SW might get unexpected crashes/data
> corruptions and what not.

And to be clear. The memory hotpug currently does the similar thing via
dissolve_free_huge_pages and I believe that is wrong as well although
one could argue that the memory offline is an admin action as well so
reducing hugetlb pages is a reasonable thing to do. This would be for a
separate discussion though.

But OOM can happen for entirely different reasons and hugetlb might be
configured properly while this change would simply break that setup.
This is simply nogo.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-28 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-27 18:02 [RFC PATCH 0/1] oom support for reclaiming of hugepages Liam R. Howlett
2017-07-27 18:02 ` [RFC PATCH 1/1] mm/hugetlb mm/oom_kill: Add support for reclaiming hugepages on OOM events Liam R. Howlett
2017-07-28  6:46   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-28 11:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-28 12:23       ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-28 12:44         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-07-29  1:56           ` Liam R. Howlett
2017-07-31  9:10             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-31 13:56               ` Liam R. Howlett
2017-07-31 14:08                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-31 14:37                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-07-31 14:49                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-01  1:25                       ` Liam R. Howlett
2017-08-01  8:28                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-01  1:11                   ` Liam R. Howlett
2017-08-01  8:29                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-01 14:41                       ` Liam R. Howlett

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