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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com, pjt@google.com, luto@amacapital.net,
	efault@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 11/17] cgroup: Implement new thread mode semantics
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:36:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170524203616.GO24798@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1d02881-f522-8baa-5ebe-9b1ad74a03e4@redhat.com>

Hello, Waiman.

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 01:13:16PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the design, but this seems to push the
> > processes which belong to the threaded subtree to the parent which is
> > part of the usual resource domain hierarchy thus breaking the no
> > internal competition constraint.  I'm not sure this is something we'd
> > want.  Given that the limitation of the original threaded mode was the
> > required nesting below root and that we treat root special anyway
> > (exactly in the way necessary), I wonder whether it'd be better to
> > simply allow root to be both domain and thread root.
> 
> Yes, root can be both domain and thread root. I haven't placed any
> restriction on that.

I've been playing with the proposed "make the parent resource domain".
Unfortunately, the parent - child relationship becomes weird.

The parent becomes the thread root, which means that its
cgroup.threads file becomes writable and threads can be put in there.
It's really weird to write to a child's interface and have the
parent's behavior changed.  This becomes weirder with delegation.  If
a cgroup is delegated, its cgroup.threads should be delegated too but
if the child enables threaded mode, that makes the undelegated parent
thread root, which means that either 1. the delegatee can't migrate
threads to the thread root or 2. if the parent's cgroup.threads is
writeable, the delegatee can mass with other descendants under it
which shouldn't be allowed.

I think the operation of making a cgroup a thread root should happen
on the cgroup where that's requested; otherwise, nesting becomes too
twisted.  This should be solvable.  Will think more about it.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-24 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-15 13:33 [RFC PATCH v2 00/17] cgroup: Major changes to cgroup v2 core Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/17] cgroup: reorganize cgroup.procs / task write path Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/17] cgroup: add @flags to css_task_iter_start() and implement CSS_TASK_ITER_PROCS Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/17] cgroup: introduce cgroup->proc_cgrp and threaded css_set handling Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/17] cgroup: implement CSS_TASK_ITER_THREADED Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/17] cgroup: implement cgroup v2 thread support Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/17] cgroup: Fix reference counting bug in cgroup_procs_write() Waiman Long
2017-05-17 19:20   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/17] cgroup: Prevent kill_css() from being called more than once Waiman Long
2017-05-17 19:23   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-17 20:24     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:34       ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/17] cgroup: Move debug cgroup to its own file Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:36   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:29     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-18 15:52     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-19 19:21       ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 19:33         ` Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:28           ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/17] cgroup: Keep accurate count of tasks in each css_set Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:40   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:56     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/17] cgroup: Make debug cgroup support v2 and thread mode Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:43   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 15:58     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/17] cgroup: Implement new thread mode semantics Waiman Long
2017-05-17 21:47   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-18 17:21     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:26   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 20:58     ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-22 17:13     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-22 17:32       ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 20:36       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2017-05-24 21:17         ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 21:27           ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 14:50             ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 15:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-06-01 15:35                 ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 18:44                 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 18:47                   ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 19:27                     ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:38                       ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 20:48                         ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:52                           ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 21:12                             ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 21:18                               ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-02 20:36                                 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-03 10:33                                   ` Tejun Heo
2017-06-01 19:55                   ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 20:15                 ` Waiman Long
2017-06-01 18:41               ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/17] cgroup: Remove cgroup v2 no internal process constraint Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:38   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-20  2:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2017-05-24 17:01       ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-22 16:56     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:05       ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 18:09         ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 18:19         ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/17] cgroup: Allow fine-grained controllers control in cgroup v2 Waiman Long
2017-05-19 20:55   ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-19 21:20     ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:31       ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 17:49         ` Waiman Long
2017-05-24 17:56           ` Tejun Heo
2017-05-24 18:17             ` Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/17] cgroup: Enable printing of v2 controllers' cgroup hierarchy Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/17] sched: Misc preps for cgroup unified hierarchy interface Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/17] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Waiman Long
2017-05-15 13:34 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/17] sched: Make cpu/cpuacct threaded controllers Waiman Long

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