From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4] shmem: avoid huge pages for small files
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:25:40 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161110162540.GA12743@node.shutemov.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1611071433340.1384@eggly.anvils>
On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 03:17:11PM -0800, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> >
> > Huge pages are detrimental for small file: they causes noticible
> > overhead on both allocation performance and memory footprint.
> >
> > This patch aimed to address this issue by avoiding huge pages until file
> > grown to size of huge page. This would cover most of the cases where huge
> > pages causes regressions in performance.
> >
> > Couple notes:
> >
> > - if shmem_enabled is set to 'force', the limit is ignored. We still
> > want to generate as many pages as possible for functional testing.
> >
> > - the limit doesn't affect khugepaged behaviour: it still can collapse
> > pages based on its settings;
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
>
> Sorry, but NAK. I was expecting a patch to tune within_size behaviour.
>
> > ---
> > Documentation/vm/transhuge.txt | 3 +++
> > mm/shmem.c | 5 +++++
> > 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/vm/transhuge.txt b/Documentation/vm/transhuge.txt
> > index 2ec6adb5a4ce..d1889c7c8c46 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/vm/transhuge.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/vm/transhuge.txt
> > @@ -238,6 +238,9 @@ values:
> > - "force":
> > Force the huge option on for all - very useful for testing;
> >
> > +To avoid overhead for small files, we don't allocate huge pages for a file
> > +until it grows to size of huge pages.
> > +
> > == Need of application restart ==
> >
> > The transparent_hugepage/enabled values and tmpfs mount option only affect
> > diff --git a/mm/shmem.c b/mm/shmem.c
> > index ad7813d73ea7..49618d2d6330 100644
> > --- a/mm/shmem.c
> > +++ b/mm/shmem.c
> > @@ -1692,6 +1692,11 @@ static int shmem_getpage_gfp(struct inode *inode, pgoff_t index,
> > goto alloc_huge;
> > /* TODO: implement fadvise() hints */
> > goto alloc_nohuge;
> > + case SHMEM_HUGE_ALWAYS:
> > + i_size = i_size_read(inode);
> > + if (index < HPAGE_PMD_NR && i_size < HPAGE_PMD_SIZE)
> > + goto alloc_nohuge;
> > + break;
> > }
> >
> > alloc_huge:
>
> So (eliding the SHMEM_HUGE_ADVISE case in between) you now have:
>
> case SHMEM_HUGE_WITHIN_SIZE:
> off = round_up(index, HPAGE_PMD_NR);
> i_size = round_up(i_size_read(inode), PAGE_SIZE);
> if (i_size >= HPAGE_PMD_SIZE &&
> i_size >> PAGE_SHIFT >= off)
> goto alloc_huge;
> goto alloc_nohuge;
> case SHMEM_HUGE_ALWAYS:
> i_size = i_size_read(inode);
> if (index < HPAGE_PMD_NR && i_size < HPAGE_PMD_SIZE)
> goto alloc_nohuge;
> goto alloc_huge;
>
> I'll concede that those two conditions are not the same; but again you're
> messing with huge=always to make it, not always, but conditional on size.
>
> Please, keep huge=always as is: if I copy a 4MiB file into a huge tmpfs,
> I got ShmemHugePages 4096 kB before, which is what I wanted. Whereas
> with this change I get only 2048 kB, just like with huge=within_size.
I don't think it's a problem really. We don't have guarantees anyway.
And we can collapse the page later.
But okay.
> Treating the first extent differently is a hack, and does not respect
> that this is a filesystem, on which size is likely to increase.
>
> By all means refine the condition for huge=within_size, and by all means
> warn in transhuge.txt that huge=always may tend to waste valuable huge
> pages if the filesystem is used for small files without good reason
Would it be okay, if I just replace huge=within_size logic with what I
proposed here for huge=always?
That's not what I intended initially for this option, but...
> (but maybe the implementation needs to reclaim those more effectively).
It's more about cost of allocation than memory pressure.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-10 16:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-10-21 18:51 Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-21 22:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-10-24 12:43 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-07 23:17 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-11-10 16:25 ` Kirill A. Shutemov [this message]
2016-11-10 17:42 ` [PATCH] " kbuild test robot
2016-11-10 17:51 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-11-11 21:41 ` [PATCHv4] " Hugh Dickins
2016-11-14 14:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-11-29 3:56 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-11-29 11:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
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