From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: page_waitqueue() considered harmful
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:42:31 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160929164231.166d2910@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160929062132.GG3318@worktop.controleur.wifipass.org>
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 08:21:32 +0200
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:31:32AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> > > Since the {set,clear}_bit operations are atomic, they must be ordered
> > > against one another. The subsequent test_bit is a load, which, since its
> > > to the same variable, and a CPU must appear to preserve Program-Order,
> > > must come after the RmW.
> > >
> > > So I think you're right and that we can forgo the memory barriers here.
> > > I even think this must be true on all architectures.
> >
> > In generic code, I don't think so. We'd need an
> > smp_mb__between_bitops_to_the_same_aligned_long, wouldn't we?
> >
> > x86 implements set_bit as 'orb (addr),bit_nr', and compiler could
> > implement test_bit as a byte load as well. If those bits are in
> > different bytes, then they could be reordered, no?
> >
> > ia64 does 32-bit ops. If you make PG_waiter 64-bit only and put it
> > in the different side of the long, then this could be a problem too.
>
> Not on ia64, its atomics are full barriers too, just like x86 (even
> though its docs imply otherwise). But I get the point.
Oh yes of course I knew x86 atomics were barriers :)
Take Alpha instead. It's using 32-bit ops.
> I would however rather audit and attempt to fix affected archs before
> introducing such a barrier if at all possible.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-29 6:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-26 20:58 Linus Torvalds
2016-09-26 21:23 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-26 21:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-26 23:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-27 1:01 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-27 7:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 8:54 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 9:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-27 9:42 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 9:52 ` Minchan Kim
2016-09-27 12:11 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-29 8:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 12:55 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 13:54 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29 15:05 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-27 8:03 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-27 8:31 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 14:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 15:08 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 16:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-27 16:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 10:45 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-28 11:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 16:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-03 10:47 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 14:53 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 15:17 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 17:06 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-28 7:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 11:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-28 11:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 12:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 1:31 ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29 2:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29 6:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 6:42 ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2016-09-29 7:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 7:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 7:40 ` Mel Gorman
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