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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: page_waitqueue() considered harmful
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:31:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160929113132.5a85b887@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160928070546.GT2794@worktop>

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:05:46 +0200
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 03:06:21AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:52:21 +0200
> > Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:53:18AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:  
> > > > The more interesting is the ability to avoid the barrier between fastpath
> > > > clearing a bit and testing for waiters.
> > > > 
> > > > unlock():                        lock() (slowpath):
> > > > clear_bit(PG_locked)             set_bit(PG_waiter)
> > > > test_bit(PG_waiter)              test_bit(PG_locked)
> > > > 
> > > > If this was memory ops to different words, it would require smp_mb each
> > > > side.. Being the same word, can we avoid them?     
> > > 
> > > Ah, that is the reason I put that smp_mb__after_atomic() there. You have
> > > a cute point on them being to the same word though. Need to think about
> > > that.  
> > 
> > This is all assuming the store accesses are ordered, which you should get
> > if the stores to the different bits operate on the same address and size.
> > That might not be the case for some architectures, but they might not
> > require barriers for other reasons. That would call for an smp_mb variant
> > that is used for bitops on different bits but same aligned long.   
> 
> Since the {set,clear}_bit operations are atomic, they must be ordered
> against one another. The subsequent test_bit is a load, which, since its
> to the same variable, and a CPU must appear to preserve Program-Order,
> must come after the RmW.
> 
> So I think you're right and that we can forgo the memory barriers here.
> I even think this must be true on all architectures.

In generic code, I don't think so. We'd need an
smp_mb__between_bitops_to_the_same_aligned_long, wouldn't we?

x86 implements set_bit as 'orb (addr),bit_nr', and compiler could
implement test_bit as a byte load as well. If those bits are in
different bytes, then they could be reordered, no?

ia64 does 32-bit ops. If you make PG_waiter 64-bit only and put it
in the different side of the long, then this could be a problem too.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-29  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-26 20:58 Linus Torvalds
2016-09-26 21:23 ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-26 21:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-26 23:11   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-27  1:01     ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-27  7:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27  8:54   ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27  9:11     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-27  9:42       ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27  9:52       ` Minchan Kim
2016-09-27 12:11         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2016-09-29  8:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 12:55       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29 13:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29 13:54           ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29 15:05         ` Rik van Riel
2016-09-27  8:03 ` Jan Kara
2016-09-27  8:31 ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 14:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 15:08     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 16:31     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-27 16:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 10:45     ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-28 11:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 16:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-29 13:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-10-03 10:47             ` Mel Gorman
2016-09-27 14:53   ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 15:17     ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-27 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 17:06       ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-28  7:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 11:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-28 11:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28 12:58               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29  1:31           ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2016-09-29  2:12             ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-29  6:21             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29  6:42               ` Nicholas Piggin
2016-09-29  7:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-29  7:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-28  7:40     ` Mel Gorman

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