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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm,page_alloc: Allow !__GFP_FS allocations to invoke the OOM killer
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 09:43:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160923074333.GA4478@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1474557777-8288-1-git-send-email-penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Fri 23-09-16 00:22:57, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
[...]
> As a first step, I do want to eliminate possibility of silent OOM livelock.

Absolutely no! Unless you have a clear evidence that the oom livelock is
real and easily triggerable from the userspace. Pre-mature OOM killer is
imho much worse problem than a theoretical GFP_NOFS livelock.

So NAK to this patch from me. We just have too many GFP_NOFS users
currently and the risk of pre-mature OOM is just too high wrt to gain
this will give us. I really think we need a real solution rather than
just blindly disable this code and hope everything will happen to work.
As I've said in the past I am not fond of this heuristic either but we
do not have anything better now.

I am all for warning when an allocation stalls for too long to identify
potential problems. Will post a patch later today.

> If this patch causes !__GFP_FS memory allocation requests to invoke the
> OOM killer trivially, at least we will be able to emit warning messages
> periodically as long as we are telling the lie instead of invoking the
> OOM killer. Without knowing which caller is falling into OOM livelock,
> we will remain too cowardly to determine when we can stop telling the
> lie and we will bother administrators with silent OOM livelock.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
> Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
> Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> ---
>  mm/oom_kill.c | 9 ---------
>  1 file changed, 9 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/mm/oom_kill.c b/mm/oom_kill.c
> index f284e92..7893c5c 100644
> --- a/mm/oom_kill.c
> +++ b/mm/oom_kill.c
> @@ -1005,15 +1005,6 @@ bool out_of_memory(struct oom_control *oc)
>  	}
>  
>  	/*
> -	 * The OOM killer does not compensate for IO-less reclaim.
> -	 * pagefault_out_of_memory lost its gfp context so we have to
> -	 * make sure exclude 0 mask - all other users should have at least
> -	 * ___GFP_DIRECT_RECLAIM to get here.
> -	 */
> -	if (oc->gfp_mask && !(oc->gfp_mask & (__GFP_FS|__GFP_NOFAIL)))
> -		return true;
> -
> -	/*
>  	 * Check if there were limitations on the allocation (only relevant for
>  	 * NUMA and memcg) that may require different handling.
>  	 */
> -- 
> 1.8.3.1

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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      reply	other threads:[~2016-09-23  7:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 2+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-22 15:22 Tetsuo Handa
2016-09-23  7:43 ` Michal Hocko [this message]

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