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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>
Cc: Gilad Ben Yossef <giladb@mellanox.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 09:58:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160830075854.GZ10153@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fe4b8667-57d5-7767-657a-d89c8b62f8e3@mellanox.com>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 12:40:32PM -0400, Chris Metcalf wrote:
> On 8/29/2016 12:33 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 05:19:27PM -0400, Chris Metcalf wrote:
> >>+	/*
> >>+	 * Request rescheduling unless we are in full dynticks mode.
> >>+	 * We would eventually get pre-empted without this, and if
> >>+	 * there's another task waiting, it would run; but by
> >>+	 * explicitly requesting the reschedule, we may reduce the
> >>+	 * latency.  We could directly call schedule() here as well,
> >>+	 * but since our caller is the standard place where schedule()
> >>+	 * is called, we defer to the caller.
> >>+	 *
> >>+	 * A more substantive approach here would be to use a struct
> >>+	 * completion here explicitly, and complete it when we shut
> >>+	 * down dynticks, but since we presumably have nothing better
> >>+	 * to do on this core anyway, just spinning seems plausible.
> >>+	 */
> >>+	if (!tick_nohz_tick_stopped())
> >>+		set_tsk_need_resched(current);
> >This is broken.. and it would be really good if you don't actually need
> >to do this.
> 
> Can you elaborate?  We clearly do want to wait until we are in full
> dynticks mode before we return to userspace.
> 
> We could do it just in the prctl() syscall only, but then we lose the
> ability to implement the NOSIG mode, which can be a convenience.

So this isn't spelled out anywhere. Why does this need to be in the
return to user path?

> Even without that consideration, we really can't be sure we stay in
> dynticks mode if we disable the dynamic tick, but then enable interrupts,
> and end up taking an interrupt on the way back to userspace, and
> it turns the tick back on.  That's why we do it here, where we know
> interrupts will stay disabled until we get to userspace.

But but but.. task_isolation_enter() is explicitly ran with IRQs
_enabled_!! It even WARNs if they're disabled.

> So if we are doing it here, what else can/should we do?  There really
> shouldn't be any other tasks waiting to run at this point, so there's
> not a heck of a lot else to do on this core.  We could just spin and
> check need_resched and signal status manually instead, but that
> seems kind of duplicative of code already done in our caller here.

What !? I really don't get this, what are you waiting for? Why is
rescheduling making things better.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-30  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1471382376-5443-1-git-send-email-cmetcalf@mellanox.com>
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 02/13] vmstat: add vmstat_idle function Chris Metcalf
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 03/13] lru_add_drain_all: factor out lru_add_drain_needed Chris Metcalf
2016-08-16 21:19 ` [PATCH v15 04/13] task_isolation: add initial support Chris Metcalf
2016-08-29 16:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 16:40     ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-29 16:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 16:53         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30  7:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-30  7:58       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-08-30 15:32         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 16:30           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 17:02             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 18:43               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-08-30 19:37                 ` Chris Metcalf
2016-08-30 19:50                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-02 14:04                     ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-02 17:28                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-09 17:40                         ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-12 17:41                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-09-12 19:25                             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-27 14:22                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-09-27 14:39                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-27 14:51                             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-09-27 14:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-09-30 16:59                 ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-01 10:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-02 14:03             ` Chris Metcalf
2016-09-02 16:40               ` Peter Zijlstra

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