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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov@parallels.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/10] vhost, mm: make sure that oom_reaper doesn't reap memory read by vhost
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:57:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160814165720.wcvejj7h6k7zz72a@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160814084151.GA9248@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:41:52AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Sat 13-08-16 03:15:00, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 03:21:41PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > Whats really interesting is that I still fail to understand do we really
> > > need this hack, iiuc you are not sure too, and Michael didn't bother to
> > > explain why a bogus zero from anon memory is worse than other problems
> > > caused by SIGKKILL from oom-kill.c.
> > 
> > vhost thread will die, but vcpu thread is going on.  If it's memory is
> > corrupted because vhost read 0 and uses that as an array index, it can
> > do things like corrupt the disk, so it can't be restarted.
> > 
> > But I really wish we didn't need this special-casing.  Can't PTEs be
> > made invalid on oom instead of pointing them at the zero page?
> 
> Well ptes are just made !present and the subsequent #PF will allocate
> a fresh new page which will be a zero page as the original content is
> gone already.

Can't we set a flag to make fixups desist from faulting
in memory?


> But I am not really sure what you mean by an invalid
> pte. You are in a kernel thread context, aka unkillable context. How
> would you handle SIGBUS or whatever other signal as a result of the
> invalid access?

No need for signal - each copy from user access is already
checked for errors.

> > And then
> > won't memory accesses trigger pagefaults instead of returning 0?
> 
> See above. Zero page is just result of the lost memory content. We
> cannot both reclaim and keep the original content.

Isn't this what decides it's a valid address so
we need to bring in a page (in __do_page_fault)?


        vma = find_vma(mm, address);
        if (unlikely(!vma)) {
                bad_area(regs, error_code, address);
                return;
        }       
        if (likely(vma->vm_start <= address))
                goto good_area;
        if (unlikely(!(vma->vm_flags & VM_GROWSDOWN))) {
                bad_area(regs, error_code, address);
                return;
        }       


So why can't we check a flag here, and call bad_area?
then vhost will get an error from access to userspace
memory and can handle it correctly.


> > That
> > would make regular copy_from_user machinery do the right thing,
> > making vhost stop running as appropriate.
> 
> I must be missing something here but how would you make the kernel
> thread context find out the invalid access. You would have to perform
> signal handling routine after every single memory access and I fail how
> this is any different from a special copy_from_user_mm.

No because IIUC no checks are needed as long as there
is no fault. On fault, fixups are run, at the moment
they bring in a page, I am saying they should
behave as if an invalid address was accessed instead.


> -- 
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-14 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-28 19:42 [RFC PATCH 0/10] fortify oom killer even more Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm,oom_reaper: Reduce find_lock_task_mm() usage Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm,oom_reaper: Do not attempt to reap a task twice Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 03/10] oom: keep mm of the killed task available Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm, oom: get rid of signal_struct::oom_victims Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 05/10] kernel, oom: fix potential pgd_lock deadlock from __mmdrop Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 06/10] oom, suspend: fix oom_killer_disable vs. pm suspend properly Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm, oom: enforce exit_oom_victim on current task Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 08/10] exit, oom: postpone exit_oom_victim to later Michal Hocko
2016-07-30  8:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-07-31  9:35     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-31 10:19       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-01 10:46       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-08-01 11:33         ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-02 10:32           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-08-02 11:31             ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 09/10] vhost, mm: make sure that oom_reaper doesn't reap memory read by vhost Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 20:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-07-29  6:04     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-29 13:14       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-07-29 13:35         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-29 17:57           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-07-31  9:44             ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12  9:42               ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12 13:21                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-12 14:41                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12 16:05                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-12 15:57                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-12 16:09                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-08-12 16:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-12 16:23                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-13  0:15                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-14  8:41                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-14 16:57                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2016-08-14 23:06                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-15  9:49                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-17 16:58                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-22 13:03                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-22 21:01                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-23  7:55                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-23  9:06                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-23 12:54                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-08-24 16:42                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12  9:43         ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-29 17:07   ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-07-31  9:11     ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 19:42 ` [PATCH 10/10] oom, oom_reaper: allow to reap mm shared by the kthreads Michal Hocko

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