From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mhocko@kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, rientjes@google.com, oleg@redhat.com,
vdavydov@parallels.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/10 -v3] Handle oom bypass more gracefully
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 06:49:24 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201606080649.DGF51523.FLMOSHVtFFOJOQ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160607150534.GO12305@dhcp22.suse.cz>
Michal Hocko wrote:
> OK, so you are arming the timer for each mark_oom_victim regardless
> of the oom context. This means that you have replaced one potential
> lockup by other potential livelocks. Tasks from different oom domains
> might interfere here...
>
> Also this code doesn't even seem easier. It is surely less lines of
> code but it is really hard to realize how would the timer behave for
> different oom contexts.
If you worry about interference, we can use per signal_struct timestamp.
I used per task_struct timestamp in my earlier versions (where per
task_struct TIF_MEMDIE check was used instead of per signal_struct
oom_victims).
> > What is wrong with above patch? How much difference is there compared to
> > calling schedule_timeout_killable(HZ) in oom_kill_process() before
> > releasing oom_lock and later checking MMF_OOM_REAPED after re-taking
> > oom_lock when we can't wake up the OOM reaper?
>
> I fail to see how much this is different, really. Your patch is checking
> timer_pending with a global context in the same path and that is imho
> much harder to argue about than something which is task->mm based.
We can use per signal_struct or per task_struct timestamp if you don't
like global timestamp.
> > I'm OK with "a decision based by a feedback" but you don't like waking up
> > the OOM reaper ("invoking the oom reaper just to find out what we know
> > already and it is unlikely to change after oom_kill_process just doesn't
> > make much sense."). So what feedback mechanisms are possible other than
> > timeout like above patch?
>
> Is this about the patch 10? Well, yes, there is a case where oom reaper
> cannot be invoked and we have no feedback. Then we have no other way
> than to wait for some time. I believe it is easier to wait in the oom
> context directly than to add a global timer. Both approaches would need
> some code in the oom victim selection code and it is much easier to
> argue about the victim specific context than a global one as mentioned
> above.
But expiring timeout by sleeping inside oom_kill_process() prevents other
threads which are OOM-killed from obtaining TIF_MEMDIE, for anybody needs
to wait for oom_lock in order to obtain TIF_MEMDIE. Unless you set
TIF_MEMDIE to all OOM-killed threads from oom_kill_process() or allow
the caller context to use ALLOC_NO_WATERMARKS by checking whether current
was already OOM-killed rather than TIF_MEMDIE, attempt to expiring timeout
by sleeping inside oom_kill_process() is useless.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-07 21:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-03 9:16 Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 01/10] proc, oom: drop bogus task_lock and mm check Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 02/10] proc, oom: drop bogus sighand lock Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 03/10] proc, oom_adj: extract oom_score_adj setting into a helper Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm, oom_adj: make sure processes sharing mm have same view of oom_score_adj Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm, oom: skip vforked tasks from being selected Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm, oom: kill all tasks sharing the mm Michal Hocko
2016-06-06 22:27 ` David Rientjes
2016-06-06 23:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2016-06-07 6:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-07 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2016-06-08 6:22 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-08 22:51 ` David Rientjes
2016-06-09 6:46 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm, oom: fortify task_will_free_mem Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 11:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-03 12:12 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm, oom: task_will_free_mem should skip oom_reaped tasks Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] mm, oom_reaper: do not attempt to reap a task more than twice Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 9:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] mm, oom: hide mm which is shared with kthread or global init Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 15:16 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-06 8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-06 13:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-07 6:26 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 12:00 ` [PATCH 0/10 -v3] Handle oom bypass more gracefully Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-03 12:20 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 12:22 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-04 10:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-06 8:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-03 15:17 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-06 8:36 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-07 14:30 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-07 15:05 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-07 21:49 ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2016-06-08 7:27 ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-08 14:55 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-06-08 16:05 ` Michal Hocko
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