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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mmap.2: clarify MAP_LOCKED semantic
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 13:32:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160511113228.GJ16677@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57331275.9000805@infradead.org>

On Wed 11-05-16 13:07:33, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/13/2015 04:38 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
> > 
> > MAP_LOCKED had a subtly different semantic from mmap(2)+mlock(2) since
> > it has been introduced.
> > mlock(2) fails if the memory range cannot get populated to guarantee
> > that no future major faults will happen on the range. mmap(MAP_LOCKED) on
> > the other hand silently succeeds even if the range was populated only
> > partially.
> > 
> > Fixing this subtle difference in the kernel is rather awkward because
> > the memory population happens after mm locks have been dropped and so
> > the cleanup before returning failure (munlock) could operate on something
> > else than the originally mapped area.
> > 
> > E.g. speculative userspace page fault handler catching SEGV and doing
> > mmap(fault_addr, MAP_FIXED|MAP_LOCKED) might discard portion of a racing
> > mmap and lead to lost data. Although it is not clear whether such a
> > usage would be valid, mmap page doesn't explicitly describe requirements
> > for threaded applications so we cannot exclude this possibility.
> > 
> > This patch makes the semantic of MAP_LOCKED explicit and suggest using
> > mmap + mlock as the only way to guarantee no later major page faults.
> > 
> 
> URGH, this really blows chunks. It basically means MAP_LOCKED is pointless
> cruft and we might as well remove it.

Yeah, the usefulness of MAP_LOCKED is somehow reduced. Everybody who
wants the full semantic really have to use mlock(2).

> Why not fix it proper?

I have tried but it turned out to be a problem because we are dropping
mmap_sem after we initialized VMA and as Linus pointed out there
are multithreaded applications which are doing opportunistic memory
management[1]. So we would have to hold the mmap_sem for write during
the whole VMA setup + population and that doesn't seem to be worth
all the trouble when we are even not sure whether somebody relies on
MAP_LOCKED to have the hard mlock semantic.

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[1] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/CA+55aFydkG-BgZzry5DrTzueVh9VvEcVJdLV8iOyUphQk=0vpw@mail.gmail.com
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-11 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-13 14:38 [PATCH 0/2] man-pages: " Michal Hocko
2015-05-13 14:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmap.2: " Michal Hocko
2015-05-13 14:45   ` Eric B Munson
2015-05-13 14:48     ` Eric B Munson
2015-05-14  8:01     ` Michal Hocko
2015-05-14 13:36   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-05-11 11:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-11 11:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-11 11:32     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2015-05-13 14:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] mmap2: clarify MAP_POPULATE Michal Hocko
2015-05-13 14:47   ` Eric B Munson
2015-05-14 13:36   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-05-15  0:13   ` David Rientjes
2015-05-18  9:12 ` [PATCH 0/2] man-pages: clarify MAP_LOCKED semantic Michal Hocko

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