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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mgorman@suse.de, oleg@redhat.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, hughd@google.com,
	andrea@kernel.org, riel@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm,oom: exclude oom_task_origin processes if they are OOM-unkillable.
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:05:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160224100520.GB20863@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1602231420590.744@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Tue 23-02-16 14:33:01, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2016, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > oom_badness() ranges from 0 (don't kill) to 1000 (please kill).  It 
> > > factors in the setting of /proc/self/oom_score_adj to change that value.  
> > > That is where OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN is enforced. 
> > 
> > The question is whether the current placement of OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN
> > is appropriate. Wouldn't it make more sense to check it in oom_unkillable_task
> > instead?
> 
> oom_unkillable_task() deals with the type of task it is (init or kthread) 
> or being ineligible due to the memcg and cpuset placement.

Yes and OOM disabled is yet another condition.

> We want to 
> exclude them from consideration and also suppress them from the task dump 
> in the kernel log.  We don't want to suppress oom disabled processes, we 
> really want to know their rss, for example.

Hmm, is it really helpful though? What would you deduce from seeing a
large rss an OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN task? Misconfigured system? There must
have been a reason to mark the task that way in the first place so you
can hardly do anything about it. Moreover you can deduce the same from
the available information.

I would even argue that displaying OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN might be a bit
counterproductive because you have to filter them out when looking at
the listing.

> It could be renamed is_ineligible_task().

That wouldn't really help imho because OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN is an
uneligible task.

> > Sure, checking oom_score_adj under task_lock inside oom_badness will
> > prevent from races but the question I raised previously was whether we
> > actually care about those races? When would it matter? Is it really
> > likely that the update happen during the oom killing? And if yes what
> > prevents from the update happening _after_ the check?
> > 
> 
> It's not necessarily to take task_lock(), but find_lock_task_mm() is the 
> means we have to iterate threads to find any with memory attached.  We 
> need that logic in oom_badness() to avoid racing with threads that have 
> entered exit_mm().  It's possible for a thread to have a non-NULL ->mm in 
> oom_scan_process_thread(), the thread enters exit_mm() without kill, and 
> oom_badness() can still find it to be eligible because other threads have 
> not exited.  We still want to issue a kill to this process and task_lock() 
> protects the setting of task->mm to NULL: don't consider it to be a race 
> in setting oom_score_adj, consider it to be a race in unmapping (but not 
> freeing) memory in th exit path.

I am confused now. This all is true but it is independent on OOM_SCORE_ADJ_MIN
check? The check is per signal_struct so checking all the threads will
not change anything.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-24 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-17 14:31 Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-17 14:48 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-17 22:31 ` David Rientjes
2016-02-18  8:09   ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-18 10:30     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-18 12:08       ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-18 12:13         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-19 15:07           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-19 15:13             ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-23  1:06     ` David Rientjes
2016-02-23 12:34       ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-23 22:33         ` David Rientjes
2016-02-24 10:05           ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-02-24 21:36             ` David Rientjes

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