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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 2/3] zram: use zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark()
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 09:40:47 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160222004047.GA4958@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160222000436.GA21710@bbox>

On (02/22/16 09:04), Minchan Kim wrote:
[..]
> max_zpage_size was there since zram's grandpa(ie, ramzswap).
> AFAIR, at that time, it works to forward incompressible
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE/2) page to backing swap if it presents.
> If it doesn't have any backing swap and it's incompressbile
> (e.g, PAGE_SIZE*3/4), it stores it as uncompressed page
> to avoid *decompress* overhead later.

"PAGE_SIZE * 3 / 4" introduces a bigger memory overhead than
decompression of 3K bytes later.

> And Nitin want to make it as tunable parameter. I agree the
> approach because I don't want to make coupling between zram
> and allocator as far as possible.
> 
> If huge class is pain

they are.

> it's allocator problem, not zram stuff.

the allocator's problems start at the point where zram begins to have
opinion on what should be stored as ->huge object and what should not.
it's not up to zram to enforce this.


> I think we should try to remove such problem in zsmalloc layer,
> firstly.

zram asks to store a PAGE_SIZE sized object, what zsmalloc can
possible do about this?


> Having said that, I agree your claim that uncompressible pages
> are pain. I want to handle the problem as multiple-swap apparoach.

zram is not just for swapping. as simple as that.


and enforcing a multi-swap approach on folks who use zram for swap
doesn't look right to me.


> For that, we should introduce new knob in zram layer like Nitin
> did and make it configurable so we could solve the problem of
> single zram-swap system as well as multiple swap system.

a 'bad compression' watermark knob? isn't it an absolutely low level
thing no one ever should see?

	-ss

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-22  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-21 13:27 [RFC][PATCH v2 0/3] mm/zsmalloc: increase objects density and reduce memory wastage Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/3] mm/zsmalloc: introduce zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/3] zram: use zs_get_huge_class_size_watermark() Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  0:04   ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  0:40     ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-02-22  1:27       ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  1:59         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  2:05           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  2:57           ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  3:54             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  4:54               ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  5:05                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-21 13:27 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/3] mm/zsmalloc: increase ZS_MAX_PAGES_PER_ZSPAGE Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  0:25   ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  0:47     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  1:34       ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  2:01         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  2:34           ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22  3:59             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  4:41               ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-22 10:43                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-23  8:25                   ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-23 10:35                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-23 16:05                       ` Minchan Kim
2016-02-27  6:31                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-22  2:24         ` Sergey Senozhatsky

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