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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: why do we do ALLOC_WMARK_HIGH before going out_of_memory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:55:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160128215514.GF621@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160128211240.GA4163@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu 28-01-16 16:12:40, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:11:23PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 28-01-16 20:02:04, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > It's not immediately apparent if there is a new OOM killer upstream
> > > logic that would prevent the risk of a second OOM killer invocation
> > > despite another OOM killing already happened while we were stuck in
> > > reclaim. In absence of that, the high wmark check would be still
> > > needed.
> > 
> > Well, my oom detection rework [1] strives to make the OOM detection more
> > robust and the retry logic performs the watermark check. So I think the
> > last attempt is no longer needed after that patch. I will then remove
> > it.
> 
> Hm? I don't have the same conclusion from what Andrea said.
> 
> When you have many allocations racing at the same time, they can all
> enter __alloc_pages_may_oom() in quick succession. We don't want a
> cavalcade of OOM kills when one could be enough, so we have to make
> sure that in between should_alloc_retry() giving up and acquiring the
> OOM lock nobody else already issued a kill and released enough memory.
> 
> It's a race window that gets yanked wide open when hundreds of threads
> race in __alloc_pages_may_oom(). Your patches don't fix that, AFAICS.

Only one task would be allowed to go out_of_memory and all the rest will
simply fail on oom_lock trylock and return with NULL. Or am I missing
your point?

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-28 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-28 16:38 Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 19:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-01-28 20:11   ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:12     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 21:55       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-01-28 23:40         ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-29 14:38           ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:56             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2016-01-29 16:12               ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 16:29                 ` Michal Hocko

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